If the Chiefs go 8-8 or better 49ers get a 2nd round pick.

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A third- or second-rounder from Kansas City, the remnant of the Alex Smith deal. Now it can be told: The second draft choice San Francisco will receive from the Smith deal will be K.C.'s second-rounder in 2014 if the Chiefs go 8-8 or better this season. It will be a third-rounder in 2014 if Kansas City is under .500 this season.

So: San Francisco will probably have first-, second- and four third-rounders next year. But if the Chiefs surprise, it'll more likely be a one, two twos and three threes. As we've seen, GM Trent Baalke is dangerous with extra picks in his hands. If Colin Kaepernick is very good, the Niners should be annual contenders for years with the picks laid out that way.

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[jd1020]

Originally Posted by Messier

Back at ya.

I don't need help.

I can clearly see the big bold letters written on the wall.

Dorsey and NA cost them half of what Smith would have cost them.

Any other dumbass theory you wish to come up with?

[Messier]

Originally Posted by JASONSAUTO

I'm saying that the team isn't going to tell the player the truth every time.

I don't know what they were going to do but they had to trade some draft picks for fear of not being able to afford them AFTER trading Smith...

they might have kept him, but not at 7.5 million IMO.
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But do they just out and out lie to them?

This topic is always in play with trades. If we just wait, they'll release him. I'd guess Reid and Dorsey asked themselves that question. They aren't stupid. They clearly didn't think he was getting released, and they were talking extensively to the 49er. Smith didn't think he was getting released. People who do think he was getting released are fans without any real knowledge, and a low opinion of the player.

[SAUTO]

Originally Posted by Messier

But do they just out and out lie to them?

This topic is always in play with trades. If we just wait, they'll release him. I'd guess Reid and Dorsey asked themselves that question. They aren't stupid. They clearly didn't think he was getting released, and they were talking extensively to the 49er. Smith didn't think he was getting released. People who do think he was getting released are fans without any real knowledge, and a low opinion of the player.

yeah I'm sure teams have lied before. It happens.
They aren't stupid but you admit they over paid by a round iyo. What about the second/third next year? What about reports no one else was giving up anything close to that? What about all the reports that there was no competition for Smith's services?

what about their cap situation?

Too much there to just say "I don't think the team would lie"

We will never know for sure but I don't think he's there at all, especially at 7.5. He would have had to take a substantial pay cut.

And also did they REALLY want that guy sitting behind Kap? What happens if there are some struggles? A team divided?

Just to much for him to be there
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[Messier]

Originally Posted by jd1020

I don't need help.

I can clearly see the big bold letters written on the wall.

Dorsey and NA cost them half of what Smith would have cost them.

Any other dumbass theory you wish to come up with?

My dumb ass theory is using what people said. Your conclusion is that they're lying.

[jd1020]

Originally Posted by Messier

My dumb ass theory is using what people said. Your conclusion is that they're lying.

No one ever lies, especially when they have something to gain by doing so.

I want to live in your world.

[SAUTO]

Originally Posted by Messier

My dumb ass theory is using what people said. Your conclusion is that they're lying.

You said the chiefs thought he wasn't getting cut because they were in deep contract with the niners.

at that buddy. Surely the niners wouldn't try to trade a player and tell the team they would have to cut him of the trade didn't go through.
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[SAUTO]

Originally Posted by Messier

My dumb ass theory is using what people said. Your conclusion is that they're lying.

Everyone lies at some point in life.
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[jd1020]

I have to admit, though... The 49ers did all they could to keep Alex Smith. You simply don't agree to trade a guy 1 month before its even possible unless you really really really want him on the team.

[SAUTO]

Originally Posted by jd1020

I have to admit, though... The 49ers did all they could to keep Alex Smith. You simply don't agree to trade a guy 1 month before its even possible unless you really really really want him on the team.

Hell they let him get to free agency the year prior and tried to get old, broke neck who hadn't even played the year before.

They REALLY wanted him around.

Oh and they tried for broke neck when they had told Smith they wanted him back and the courting of the neck was behind Smith's back.

But they wouldn't lie, right?
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[SAUTO]

They lied to him to year before but it was all true this year.

Hell Smith isn't going to say at our pc that he was going to get cut. Lol at that
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[jd1020]

Originally Posted by JASONSAUTO

But they wouldn't lie, right?
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Nope. Harbaugh is a saint. He would never do such a thing. He loved Alex Smith. He wanted him to retire as a 49er.

[Messier]

Originally Posted by jd1020

No one ever lies, especially when they have something to gain by doing so.

I want to live in your world.

No one always lies either. But that fact I believe they would e kept Smith without a trade is as reasonable as your belief they would've released him, actually more reasonable, because my belief, doesn't rely on connecting theoretical dots.

[jd1020]

Originally Posted by Messier

No one always lies either. But that fact I believe they would e kept Smith without a trade is as reasonable as your belief they would've released him, actually more reasonable, because my belief, doesn't rely on connecting theoretical dots.

Actually, it's not. You have yet to provide any information that shows they could have even considered keeping Smith even if they actually wanted to.

Keep on being a reerun, though. I'm done with you.

[Messier]

Originally Posted by jd1020

Nope. Harbaugh is a saint. He would never do such a thing. He loved Alex Smith. He wanted him to retire as a 49er.

Your belief that JH lied and Reid was scammed is directly influenced by your opinion of Smith.

[SAUTO]

Originally Posted by Messier

No one always lies either. But that fact I believe they would e kept Smith without a trade is as reasonable as your belief they would've released him, actually more reasonable, because my belief, doesn't rely on connecting theoretical dots.

they couldn't afford him
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