Chiefs Petro a& Lenny "Don't blame the offense" - Page 2

**petegz28** · 12-22-2008, 12:38 PM

On the way to the airport I was listening to Soren and Lenny. While Lenny was a bit more critical of Thigy, both said this game was not the fault of the offense. 500 yard and 31 points should never net you a loss.

Lenny reminded us what some here tried to say yesterday, "offense is fun to watch but defense wins games".

Miami had the ball for 12 minutes in the 4th quarter. That says it right there. That is the game. This offense battled back from poor special teams play and defensive play (opening play), to hand the defense yet another lead.

Both said Thigy's performance is expected for a 1st year QB. Did he make dumb throws? Yes. Should he have had more INT's? Yes. But as Soren pointed out, Pennignton also got away with 2 or 3 balls that were tipped and close to being picked off.

Bottom line is the offense has been moving the ball and scoring and the defense has yet to hold a lead. Again as Lenny said, you can't keep trying to outscore your opponents ala DV. Defense has to show up and play.

Reerun_KC · 12-22-2008, 12:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Hootie

The Chiefs without Huard are just a really bad team...

FYP

Hootie · 12-22-2008, 12:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Mecca

I'd rather not be lumped with you, after that whole "I'd rather have Thigpen than Carson Palmer" thing I'd like to be thought of as far away from you as possible.

I can't wait until the Palmer led Bengals win 5 or 6 games next year so I can laugh in your face...

Mr. Immobile/overrated is finished. Two more seasons before everyone figures out the guy is a fraud. No ball control, no pocket awareness, no good.

He's on name alone...

Mecca · 12-22-2008, 12:52 PM

And then Hootie will wonder why people think he's dumb.

Hootie · 12-22-2008, 12:54 PM

It's ok Mecca...of course you're going to have the support on the board on this one...Carson Palmer is a big name...

But next season, and the one after that...it'll be hilarious to hear your excuses for not seeing it coming...

Palmer is FINISHED. He'll never lead another team to the playoffs.

DJ's left nut · 12-22-2008, 12:55 PM

That entire exchange was absurd.

Someone would say "hey, so Thigpen made a couple of bad throws"

St. James would pipe up "so the defense gives up 38 and you're blaming the offense, you can't put this on the offense...blah blah blah".

The defense sucking does not change the performance of the offense. The offense cratered in the 2nd half, the playcalling was bizarre (sticking with the pass...like Petegz has asked them to do the last several weeks in an attempt to defend Thigpen) and Thigpen failed miserably on a number of occasions.

The offense was awful in the 2nd half. It's absolutely fair to point that out.

Mecca · 12-22-2008, 12:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Hootie

It's ok Mecca...of course you're going to have the support on the board on this one...Carson Palmer is a big name...

But next season, and the one after that...it'll be hilarious to hear your excuses for not seeing it coming...

Palmer is FINISHED. He'll never lead another team to the playoffs.

I'll trade basically the entire Chiefs roster for Carson Palmer.

Hootie · 12-22-2008, 12:58 PM

It's also fair to point out that the offense scored 31 points without help from the defense and they still lost because the defense couldn't stop a team that is far from an offensive juggernaut.

**dirk digler** · 12-22-2008, 12:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Hootie

Palmer is FINISHED. He'll never lead another team to the playoffs.

You really believe that and why?

**SAUTO** · 12-22-2008, 12:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Hootie

It's ok Mecca...of course you're going to have the support on the board on this one...Carson Palmer is a big name...

But next season, and the one after that...it'll be hilarious to hear your excuses for not seeing it coming...

Palmer is FINISHED. He'll never lead another team to the playoffs.

i think that palmer is washed up also. i've said that for a long time

Mecca · 12-22-2008, 12:59 PM

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Originally Posted by dirk digler

You really believe that and why?

Because Hootie plays fantasy football.....

He told me Palmer had a bad shoulder last night, I like when he doesn't even know what Palmers actual injury is.

Mecca · 12-22-2008, 12:59 PM

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Originally Posted by JASONSAUTO

i think that palmer is washed up also. i've said that for a long time

Well now I'm satisfied that he's not, you and Hootie believing something the same makes it a pretty safe bet to be on the other side.

**SAUTO** · 12-22-2008, 12:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Mecca

I'll trade basically the entire Chiefs roster for Carson Palmer.

wow you love ANY usc player huh? palmer hasnt been the same since injuring his knee

**SAUTO** · 12-22-2008, 01:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Mecca

Well now I'm satisfied that he's not, you and Hootie believing something the same makes it a pretty safe bet to be on the other side.

we'll see

Mecca · 12-22-2008, 01:00 PM

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Originally Posted by JASONSAUTO

wow you love ANY usc player huh? palmer hasnt been the same since injuring his knee

........

The reeruns have united.....they love Tyler Thigpen but hate Carson Palmer, jesus christ.

Hootie · 12-22-2008, 01:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Mecca

I'll trade basically the entire Chiefs roster for Carson Palmer.

I'd trade maybe a 3rd round pick for an immobile, injury prone QB that can't protect the football.

The Carson Palmer/Drew Bledsoe type QB is done...

Look at all of the QB's coming into the league now...they are all CAPABLE of moving in the pocket...Culter, Romo, Rivers, Rodgers, Ryan, etc...and the QB's that have been good forever (Manning, Brady, Favre) have always had a knack for avoiding pressure and making plays by staying alive in the pocket.

Palmer can't do this stuff...we've seen him first hand fumble the game away against the Chiefs on several occasions...the guy can't feel pressure to save his life.

His only chance is playing behind a 2003 Chiefs-esque offensive line.

12-22-2008, 12:38 PM
petegz28 Supporter Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Olathe, Ks Casino cash: $2644127	Petro a& Lenny "Don't blame the offense" On the way to the airport I was listening to Soren and Lenny. While Lenny was a bit more critical of Thigy, both said this game was not the fault of the offense. 500 yard and 31 points should never net you a loss. Lenny reminded us what some here tried to say yesterday, "offense is fun to watch but defense wins games". Miami had the ball for 12 minutes in the 4th quarter. That says it right there. That is the game. This offense battled back from poor special teams play and defensive play (opening play), to hand the defense yet another lead. Both said Thigy's performance is expected for a 1st year QB. Did he make dumb throws? Yes. Should he have had more INT's? Yes. But as Soren pointed out, Pennignton also got away with 2 or 3 balls that were tipped and close to being picked off. Bottom line is the offense has been moving the ball and scoring and the defense has yet to hold a lead. Again as Lenny said, you can't keep trying to outscore your opponents ala DV. Defense has to show up and play.
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12-22-2008, 12:52 PM	#18
Mecca Hockey Town Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Kansas City, Missouri Casino cash: $2467050	And then Hootie will wonder why people think he's dumb.
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Hootie Banned Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Dallas, Texas Casino cash: $10004900	It's ok Mecca...of course you're going to have the support on the board on this one...Carson Palmer is a big name... But next season, and the one after that...it'll be hilarious to hear your excuses for not seeing it coming... Palmer is FINISHED. He'll never lead another team to the playoffs.
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12-22-2008, 12:55 PM	#20
DJ's left nut Sauntering Vaguely Downwards Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Columbia, Mo Casino cash: $2849099	That entire exchange was absurd. Someone would say "hey, so Thigpen made a couple of bad throws" St. James would pipe up "so the defense gives up 38 and you're blaming the offense, you can't put this on the offense...blah blah blah". The defense sucking does not change the performance of the offense. The offense cratered in the 2nd half, the playcalling was bizarre (sticking with the pass...like Petegz has asked them to do the last several weeks in an attempt to defend Thigpen) and Thigpen failed miserably on a number of occasions. The offense was awful in the 2nd half. It's absolutely fair to point that out.
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12-22-2008, 12:58 PM	#22
Hootie Banned Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Dallas, Texas Casino cash: $10004900	It's also fair to point out that the offense scored 31 points without help from the defense and they still lost because the defense couldn't stop a team that is far from an offensive juggernaut.
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