Where is all the Croyle lovers today

[King_Chief_Fan]

Yes, another Croyle thread.

After watching last nights game, is there anyone who really thinks this guy should be the starting QB? I don't see it. I don't see him making it as a 2nd stringer. 1-7 last night. His throws were hitting people in the back, in the back of the head etc. He missed a wide open receiver 15 yards down the field.
He is turning out to be everything Croylites was hoping he wasn't.

Maybe we draft a qb in first round next year?

Flame away.

[patteeu]

Originally Posted by Deberg_1990

Of course he had several dropped balls again last night.

It's hard to consider it a dropped ball when your QB fires a rocket at a guy only 5 yards away.

[mlyonsd]

Originally Posted by Rausch

I was thinking Cowher might be sitting for about 2 years and Peterson would once again bring back a former KC coach.

I'd love it...

Marty? Oh, you mean Cowher.

[GarySpFc]

I have followed Croyle for a long time. He will be fine once he losens up again. Tim Grunhard made that point again this morning on his show.

[keg in kc]

Croyle's problems are mental, and it is confidence, but not in the way people are saying. The fact is that this preseason was his first extended play (he was injured last year), and, to my eye at least, he looks like a young QB who knows what he's supposed to do, but it's not to the point where he can just go out and do it; he has to think about everything. His progressions, the blocking scheme, the routes, everything about every play is running through his head while he's on the field. And while he's working on learning the playbook to the point where it's ingrained, to where he doesn't have to think, he has a line that doesn't block and receivers that don't catch.

That, folks, is the developmental process. He needs to be on the field to work through that. But we're instead going to sacrifice that in favor of Damon Huard and the Holy Quest for 9-7.

[InChiefsHeaven]

Jesus, you people kill me. Say we take a dump this year and get a nice draft pick and use it on a QB, and then he struggles his first year and looks horrible in 2 preseason games...I guess you guys just want to keep drafting QB's without giving them time to develop...all the while buying some "wiley veteran" to help us limp along to yet another wild card playoff embarassment...

Brodie may or may not be a starter in this league, but 2 preseason games doesn't mean shit. I'd stick with the kid, and when Huard leads us to 4-4, put him in for the last half of the season and let him learn!! Look what the Donks did with ****ler and I think it went a long way towards him being what appears to be a pretty decent QB.

Plus, Kellie is HOT. I want to see her in the stands for years to come...heheheheh...

[Wile_E_Coyote]

The best thing for Croyle & Chiefs fans is for Mrs. Croyle to be on the sideline in a KC cheerleader outfit

[Manila-Chief]

Originally Posted by Otter

You're confusing "Croyle Lovers" with long-time fans who saw a glimmer of hope at developing a QB in a team that's been too inept to do just that even though it's been such a problem for as long as we could remember.

It's not Croyle it's a glimmer of hope in a situation where there was none for so long.

Yes!!!! Excellent way to say it.

As some of you have said, I want to play him coz we are going no where this year.... meaing not much hope and not much to look forward to this year... 9-7 or 6-10 is the same results for me. I know it still allows Kingless to fill the seats and make $$$ but I want to see us at least contend for a championship.

I heard one of the talking heads on ESPN say ... the speed of the game is too fast for him now. It seems to me the "talking head" is spot on ... thus, a reason to play him and allow him to gain experience. Even if our hope will be dashed by him continuing to play poorly ... at least it would give us a small ray of hope for the future.

I want Brodie to excell but, more than that ... I want to have a small glimmer of hope for this team.

It's kinda like following the Royals. Up until Dalton came on board it was useless following them coz we knew they were not going anywhere... not building for the future. The joke of MLB. Now, I even read some of the articles in the Star coz it looks like he is building a winner. I watched the Royals grow into a championship team. The losing in the early years was okay coz we knew they were building.

Although the Chiefs have not been as bad as the Royals ... in reality they are. Yes, most of the time they win more than they lose, but how many years without a playoff win? Where is the team going? Is it only about $$$???

[FAX]

Originally Posted by keg in kc

Croyle's problems are mental, and it is confidence, but not in the way people are saying. The fact is that this preseason was his first extended play (he was injured last year), and, to my eye at least, he looks like a young QB who knows what he's supposed to do, but it's not to the point where he can just go out and do it; he has to think about everything. His progressions, the blocking scheme, the routes, everything about every play is running through his head while he's on the field. And while he's working on learning the playbook to the point where it's ingrained, to where he doesn't have to think, he has a line that doesn't block and receivers that don't catch.

That, folks, is the developmental process. He needs to be on the field to work through that. But we're instead going to sacrifice that in favor of Damon Huard and the Holy Quest for 9-7.

I agree, Mr. keg in kc. Plus, they've been preaching to him over and over that he needs to get rid of the ball quickly.

Now, they need to tell him that means in terms of time, not smoke.

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[Kevinlane]

Originally Posted by ChiefGator

We need to add this to the list of Carl's QB failures...

- Taking Blackledge in the first round
- Passing up on Quinn in the 2007 draft

Dude, the blackledge debacle was in '83, Carl was brought on in '89
and the jury is still out on Quinn, and oh yeah, he wasn't available to us when our turn came.

But like you , I too am a "glimmer of hope" "fan" of the idea of letting Cody, or for now, Grodie Croyle take his lumps, as there doesn't seem to be much hope for true success (post season wins)

[Otter]

Originally Posted by Rausch

It's far too early to make that claim...

I disagree just because the same people are in charge who've been unable to get it done for 18+ years now. That's a MORE than fair time line to be judged on if you ask me. But hey, I may be wrong for the 19th year in a row.

I can validate none of this but it's worth mentioning.

On a business trip about two months ago I met a guy at a pub who claimed he was an engineer that worked in power plants across the US and resides in Nebraska. Said he was a big Chiefs fan and had some friends that were on the inside of the team.

He knew alot of obscure facts like who Nick Lowery, Jesse Haynes and Mike Stock were off the top of his head. So I don't doubt his Chiefs knowledge.

Anyway, from his "insiders" he said it's pretty common knowledge that one of the biggest reasons the defensive linemen the Chiefs have drafted failed in such high numbers is because there is no one on the team able to take them to the next step. In other words whoever is supposed to be training them at the NFL level sucks.

I think the same applies to the QB situation. No one is there to develop/transition college talent so they don't try. I honestly don't envy Croyle's situation, I wouldn't want my career resting on this teams ability to mold my skills.

Winning in the post-season seems like more of a bonus than an objective. And until they get hit in the pocket book they have no reason to change.

[underEJ]

If anybody thought he wasn't going to look like bug guts on a windshield at first, they were kidding themselves, but I still think he's going to be just fine.

People who wanted him to start for that glimmer of hope had already committed to tolerating some shaky performances to see what time and real game experience will give him, not one game, not 4 preseason games without half the offense availble, but the whole season. I wanted a 3-13 season if it meant getting to try something completely new.

But I don't think Carl Peterson is the root of the problem, he's just afraid. He is responding to the mood of the mob, and the mood of the mob says 8-8 or 9-7 is what they want, just enough not to starve, but no real substance.

I would like to know more about the coaches people have concerns about. I am not familiar with the offensive coaches. Are they Herm's people who worked with Pennington before or new hires? Just how incompetent are they?

p.s. I'm no CP supporter. Anyone that smug and arrogant has to be bad just on principle.

[Chiefnj2]

He looked good against Miami until he threw that pick. Since that pick he's sucked and doesn't look at all like the player that came out in his first drive against Miami.

[FAX]

Couldn't agree more, Mr Otter. If you took a poll of NFL coaches, I'd imagine that Dick Curl would be at or near the bottom of the list as the person you would want developing a quarterback. If he's going to be successful, Brodie has to either do this on his own or find another team.

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[Wile_E_Coyote]

Originally Posted by Kevinlane

Dude, the blackledge debacle was in '83, Carl was brought on in '89
and the jury is still out on Quinn, and oh yeah, he wasn't available to us when our turn came.

But like you , I too am a "glimmer of hope" "fan" of the idea of letting Cody, or for now, Grodie Croyle take his lumps, as there doesn't seem to be much hope for true success (post season wins)

1st in with noob

[FAX]

Originally Posted by Chiefnj2

He looked good against Miami until he threw that pick. Since that pick he's sucked and doesn't look at all like the player that came out in his first drive against Miami.

We've set the record for pre-season dropped passes with Brodie under center, Mr. Chiefnj2. Oh, and then there's the problem with the Saints RDE spending all day playing wishbone with Croyle's legs.

To be totally truthy, I think Herm was right to bench him in favor of Downfield. Our line is inconsistent and our receivers can't catch. That's not the best scenario for Brodie at this point.

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