Chiefs I think its time for the Cassel doubters to eat their crow - Page 7

RedThat · 12-19-2010, 03:44 PM

The kid deserves some respect.

After todays game Im starting to believe in the guy as our quarterback. He just displayed a true testament of toughness out there and leadership.

To some people I understand its about him leading us to the playoffs and winning the superbowl in order for them to be satisfied...yada yada yada

Im not going to go by that mindset at all. I look at this game and I see the way he played and it tells me a lot about his character. We should be proud. We got a pretty good quarterback folks. That 2nd round pick we gave up was well worth it.

I think composure, toughness, and leadership are key attributes for a quarterback. Cassel has those qualities and I also love the fact that he plays with passion too.

However, I believe the number one attribute as a quarterback is the ability to respond under pressure. So now I don't want to jump the gun here and say he has that capability, but I will say, after coming back from an appendectomy and performing the way he did, is a great sign and a step in the direction towards performing well under pressure. So far so good Matt. Keep up the good work

you sure as heck got my support.

Marcellus · 12-19-2010, 04:16 PM

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Originally Posted by milkman

Here's the thing.

We've watched as Cassel has grown before our very eyes this season, but even were he Peyton Manning, there just isn't enough talent on this team, on either side of the ball, to overcome our shortcomings against SB quality opponents, and that is no way should be a reflection on Cassel.

We saw how much Manning struggles, the guy some think is the best ever, without his full complement of talent around him.

The bottom line, QB is the most important position on the field, and we are seeing Cassel grow into the role of the leader of this team as the weeks go by, but it is still a team sport, hell, the ultimate team sport, and we just have too many deficiencies ot overcome to expect anyone to overcome them.

kstater · 12-19-2010, 04:17 PM

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Originally Posted by milkman

Here's the thing.

We've watched as Cassel has grown before our very eyes this season, but even were he Peyton Manning, there just isn't enough talent on this team, on either side of the ball, to overcome our shortcomings against SB quality opponents, and that is no way should be a reflection on Cassel.

We saw how much Manning struggles, the guy some think is the best ever, without his full complement of talent around him.

The bottom line, QB is the most important position on the field, and we are seeing Cassel grow into the role of the leader of this team as the weeks go by, but it is still a team sport, hell, the ultimate team sport, and we just have too many deficiencies ot overcome to expect anyone to overcome them.

Yeah, this team isn't winning a playoff game. And I'm prepared for the shit that's gonna come when they lose one.

**OnTheWarpath15** · 12-19-2010, 04:18 PM

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Originally Posted by milkman

Here's the thing.

We've watched as Cassel has grown before our very eyes this season, but even were he Peyton Manning, there just isn't enough talent on this team, on either side of the ball, to overcome our shortcomings against SB quality opponents, and that is no way should be a reflection on Cassel.

We saw how much Manning struggles, the guy some think is the best ever, without his full complement of talent around him.

The bottom line, QB is the most important position on the field, and we are seeing Cassel grow into the role of the leader of this team as the weeks go by, but it is still a team sport, hell, the ultimate team sport, and we just have too many deficiencies ot overcome to expect anyone to overcome them.

Do you really think this offense has less talent than NE's first SB team?

Jermaine Wiggins, FTW.

**OnTheWarpath15** · 12-19-2010, 04:18 PM

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Originally Posted by cdcox

Well, you don't get to decide when I eat crow. My bar has always been a franchise-level QB. Someone that can make a playoff-level defense play 100% honest in order to keep the running game open. Someone who can trot on the field with the game on the line and the other team gets a little weak in the knees. The kind of QB that will give us a chance to win a SB year after year.

Kudos to Cassel to having a very good year. It doesn't look like he will be the limiting factor this season. I'll give him that.

Good post, seedy.

Wallcrawler · 12-19-2010, 04:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Gif Horse

No, it isn't.

He had an average game against a bad defense.

You people really need to have higher standards.

It was a gutty, winning peformance, but he has a ways to go before he proves he's worthy of being called a franchise QB. He has to play well the next three weeks in a row, or there will be questions.

**cdcox** · 12-19-2010, 04:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Baby Lee

And BTW, did you see the '100 greatest' segment on Bart Starr? Made a compelling case that he was called upon to be a game manager by design and mindset, but was repeatedly proven capable of much more when the time came for it. Accompanied by a string of sick throws to reinforce the take.

This. A franchise-level game manager needs to be able to lead a comeback, when (not if) the need arises. No QB will be successful 100% of comeback attempts. But you want a guy you'd bet on being successful.

**DaneMcCloud** · 12-19-2010, 04:19 PM

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Originally Posted by The Bad Guy

He's never going to be the level of Manning, Brady, Brees, Rivers, Ben. What he is going to be is someone that we can win games with and will be an asset to this offense.

You know, I'm not so sure about that. I think he has a very good chance of being not only a Franchise guy but a Top Five guy as well.

He's improved exponentially this year. It's really only his third year of playing football since high school. He's not only improved on the field by leaps and bounds, but he continues to impress as THE LEADER of this football team.

I never expected such a turnaround from last season and at this point in time, I don't think he's even close to his ceiling.

The guy is really ****ing impressive and I'm more excited about the quarterback of the Kansas City Chiefs since Len Dawson was winning championships.

Marcellus · 12-19-2010, 04:19 PM

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

Do you really think this offense has less talent than NE's first SB team?

Jermaine Wiggins, FTW.

Cassel isn't Brady and Haley isn't BB. I am not naive enough to think otherwise. We need more talent. 99% of teams do.

Dumb correlation.

InChiefsHeaven · 12-19-2010, 04:20 PM

What I saw out of Matt Cassel today was a will to win and if that means rushing for 20 yards than so be it. If that means hanging in the pocket and getting punished for it a few times, so be it. If that means throwing the ball away or taking early time outs, then so be it. This ****in guy is IN CONTROL. He knows what he's doing and does it with a passion. And, at the end of the day, he's pretty ****ing good at what he does. What the hell else do people want?

All the other great QBs in the league had the supporting cast to make them great. The Chiefs are almost there. Matt is the least of our problems. I've been back and forth, but for now...Matt Cassel is the man and I can't think of another QB I'd have over him. You go Matt! Guts...determination...character...and performance...he showed it all this season, and today he out performed the Rapist after HIS surgery...

I shall put my faith in Matt. He's at least as good for us as Trent was...and that was pretty ****in' good.

...I've had a lot to drink today, fwiw...

milkman · 12-19-2010, 04:22 PM

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

Do you really think this offense has less talent than NE's first SB team?

Jermaine Wiggins, FTW.

I think this team has less talent in key positions on both sides of the ball, not specifically on offense.

That Patriot team had a hell of a defense.

This Chief defense is lacking too much in the front 7 to really make any noise against a good team in teh playoffs.

Crennel is working wonders with scheme with this defense, but when w eplays teams that can run and pass effectively, scheme can't make a difference.

Hootie · 12-19-2010, 04:22 PM

Tennessee with Kerry Collins isn't going to be an easy game...especially with Kenny Britt healthy.

spanky 52 · 12-19-2010, 04:22 PM

I think they can win a playoff game if it's in Arrowhead. But no way if it's on the road. But to think we'll have a winning record this year is unthinkable just a couple months ago. Life is good.

ChiefsCountry · 12-19-2010, 04:22 PM

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Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

I agree with your point. Unfortunately, we have to be realistic with the idea that this team isn't quite there yet and that's a pretty tall order for a guy who probably won't get too much help in the playoffs.

Regardless of how well Cassel plays in the playoffs (if we get there), this team as a whole is probably not going deep. All I cared about this season was Cassel proving or not proving he can be a guy we can depend on.

I think it's safe to say he bought another year. However, I'm still on board with drafting a QB early. Say, a Christian Ponder type guy.

Winning one playoff game this year, can be done. Ravens or Jets would be our opponent more than likely. Both of them have QB's that are the same as Cassel. I'm not expecting a deep run at all. But one win or Cassel proving he is up to the challenge would be nice to see.

The QB I want us to draft is Nathan Enderle from Idaho in the 3rd or 4th.

|Zach| · 12-19-2010, 04:23 PM

I have zero clue why someone thinks this team couldn't win a playoff game.

Have you seen some of the shit these other teams do from week to week?

chiefzilla1501 · 12-19-2010, 04:24 PM

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

Do you really think this offense has less talent than NE's first SB team?

Jermaine Wiggins, FTW.

The Patriots were a complete team. That defense with Seymour, McGinest, Bruschi, Vrabel, Milloy, Hamilton, Phifer, and Law?

12-19-2010, 03:44 PM
RedThat Banned Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Earth Casino cash: $10004900	I think its time for the Cassel doubters to eat their crow The kid deserves some respect. After todays game Im starting to believe in the guy as our quarterback. He just displayed a true testament of toughness out there and leadership. To some people I understand its about him leading us to the playoffs and winning the superbowl in order for them to be satisfied...yada yada yada Im not going to go by that mindset at all. I look at this game and I see the way he played and it tells me a lot about his character. We should be proud. We got a pretty good quarterback folks. That 2nd round pick we gave up was well worth it. I think composure, toughness, and leadership are key attributes for a quarterback. Cassel has those qualities and I also love the fact that he plays with passion too. However, I believe the number one attribute as a quarterback is the ability to respond under pressure. So now I don't want to jump the gun here and say he has that capability, but I will say, after coming back from an appendectomy and performing the way he did, is a great sign and a step in the direction towards performing well under pressure. So far so good Matt. Keep up the good work you sure as heck got my support.
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12-19-2010, 04:20 PM	#99
InChiefsHeaven Rockin' yer FACE OFF! Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Omaha, Nebraska Casino cash: $3834937	What I saw out of Matt Cassel today was a will to win and if that means rushing for 20 yards than so be it. If that means hanging in the pocket and getting punished for it a few times, so be it. If that means throwing the ball away or taking early time outs, then so be it. This **in guy is IN CONTROL. He knows what he's doing and does it with a passion. And, at the end of the day, he's pretty ing good at what he does. What the hell else do people want? All the other great QBs in the league had the supporting cast to make them great. The Chiefs are almost there. Matt is the least of our problems. I've been back and forth, but for now...Matt Cassel is the man and I can't think of another QB I'd have over him. You go Matt! Guts...determination...character...and performance...he showed it all this season, and today he out performed the Rapist after HIS surgery... I shall put my faith in Matt. He's at least as good for us as Trent was...and that was pretty **in' good. ...I've had a lot to drink today, fwiw... __________________ We have a million reasons for failure, but not one excuse... Die Donks, DIE!! Holy Crap fellas!!! We did it!!! THREE TIMES!!!
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12-19-2010, 04:22 PM	#101
Hootie Banned Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Dallas, Texas Casino cash: $10004900	Tennessee with Kerry Collins isn't going to be an easy game...especially with Kenny Britt healthy.
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12-19-2010, 04:22 PM	#102
spanky 52 Veteran Join Date: Mar 2008 Casino cash: $2525601	I think they can win a playoff game if it's in Arrowhead. But no way if it's on the road. But to think we'll have a winning record this year is unthinkable just a couple months ago. Life is good.
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12-19-2010, 04:23 PM	#104
\|Zach\| For The Glory Of The City Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Kansas City Casino cash: $5306768	I have zero clue why someone thinks this team couldn't win a playoff game. Have you seen some of the shit these other teams do from week to week?
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