I chatted with this "Indian" guy while standin in line at the pisser yesterday! - Page 3

cmh6476 · 10-17-2005, 10:10 AM

I posted some of the conversation at FFT, and just thought I'd share them here:

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well, he wasn't really Indian. But he had on the beads and the clothes and stuff, so I asked him, "so umm, are you of native american heritage?"

I was kinda stumped at first, on how to approach the conversation :unsure:

But then he was like, "no, I'm not. But a bunch of my friends are and they are down here today protesting and I am trying to find them."

So we started talking, and I asked if they were offended by the names of the teams. He mentioned not so much the Chiefs but with the redskins. And I kinda agreed and mentioned the fact that the term redskin is actually derogative.

So then I started going on about the Chiefs and where they got their name. The Chiefs were actually named (when they moved from Dallas) for the mayor of KC (could have been former mayor), Roe Bartle. They called Mayor Bartle "Chief", because of what he had done to honor the native americans and his leadership skills. I don't know all the specifics, just have heard the story.

But to pay tribute to the mayor, who had paid tribute to the native americans during his lifetime, the city decided to call the team the Chiefs.

The Indian looking guy said the use of the word "Chief" really wasnt an issue, but the tomahawk chop and guys dressed up in headbands with gold and red paint was a disgrace to their culture.

Then we started going on about how most people don't think of any of it as offesnive, just team names and something they have grown accustomed to with the major sports. I don't think anyone means any harm, it's just a mascot of a sports franchise.

I did mention that it was kind of sad that when the Spaniards invaded Mexico, they blended with the natives on the land and still incorporate some of those same customs and heritage in today's culture. However, here in the US we just basically murdered all the natives and sent them to refuges.

What's weird is I'm probably more native american than the guy I was talking to was. I think my great-grandfather's dad was full-blooded native american, but my great-grandfather was adopted by a different faimly. or something like that :unsure:

It still seems weird to me that native americans would be offended by the use of Mascots. I guess you can't really relate or understand it, because you are not one. But I didn't see what the big deal was :unsure:

http://www.fftodayforums.com/forum/i...owtopic=174101

**BigRedChief** · 10-17-2005, 01:32 PM

They were not there to protest the Chiefs.

The Indian nation has decided to picket every Redskins game they ever play from now on until they change their name.

From a poster over at the Coalition:
I am a Proud American Indian and at the last meeting of Tribal leaders it was determined that there was to be a protest at every Redskins game. The name Chiefs was brought up and determined to be a name of Dignity.

But the name Redskins is Totlally out of line and has been protested for many decades it is just the last few years that the media has picked up on the protest's.

Protesting legally is American as American can be and also voicing your opinion about the protest are encouraged by the constitution.

greg63 · 10-17-2005, 01:36 PM

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Originally Posted by BigRedChief

They were not there to protest the Chiefs.

The Indian nation has decided to picket every Redskins game they ever play from now on until they change their name.

From a poster over at the Coalition:
I am a Proud American Indian and at the last meeting of Tribal leaders it was determined that there was to be a protest at every Redskins game. The name Chiefs was brought up and determined to be a name of Dignity.

But the name Redskins is Totlally out of line and has been protested for many decades it is just the last few years that the media has picked up on the protest's.

Protesting legally is American as American can be and also voicing your opinion about the protest are encouraged by the constitution.

Yup!

**BigRedChief** · 10-17-2005, 01:40 PM

Another person posted this:

If I'm not mistaken Redskin is a reference to the foreskin of native American males in the West during the late 1800s.

Sinse a scalp could be from a man, women or child it was required to bring foreskin of proof of killing a Native American male for reward.

I'd take offense to that too.

Any history buffs know if this is true? This is where the "Redskins" name comes from?

Brock · 10-17-2005, 01:40 PM

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Originally Posted by BigRedChief

They were not there to protest the Chiefs.

http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showthread.php?t=126471

**BigRedChief** · 10-17-2005, 01:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Brock

http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showthread.php?t=126471

I need to get out more.

Paul Palmer · 10-17-2005, 01:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Fairplay

The Injuns are lucky they get to have casinos and everything.

Such comments are assinine and indicative of the fair share of idiot hillbillies who are Chiefs fans...
Look up the law to see why certain Indian tribes have casinos...

And about the "agility" honoring of Chiefs...anyone who knows that nearly all of the eastern counties in Kansas are named after tribes and how and why most of those tribes no longer reside there should check it...So now they are being honored?? Those chiefs back in the day got screwed...so now the nickname is some sort of honoring of their descendants?? Uhhhh...

I always root for the Chiefs (being raised in KC) but changing the name would be fine with me...

How about "Beef Lords" or "The Nationalists" or "Rushers" or "Sunflower Farmers" or .....

**Dartgod** · 10-17-2005, 01:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Paul Palmer

I always root for the Chiefs (being raised in KC) but changing the name would be fine with me...

How about "Beef Lords" or "The Nationalists" or "Rushers" or "Sunflower Farmers" or .....

Or we could just name them after you and call them "The Flaming Poo Bags".

jspchief · 10-17-2005, 01:56 PM

I'm not going to claim that the team is "honoring" native Americans by choosing the name Chiefs.

But I don't see how it could be considered insulting or derogatory.

Inspector · 10-17-2005, 02:03 PM

Some people have their radar on all the time just itching for something to be disgusted about.

My family has never had a problem with any of this and there are many full or partial native Americans amongst us.

Geez, if this is really that serious of an issue to someone, then I'd be jealous cause that tells me they don't have much to gripe about.

Chiefnj · 10-17-2005, 02:07 PM

Isn't it offensive for a non-American Indian to dress up in Indian costume?

Inspector · 10-17-2005, 02:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Chiefnj

Isn't it offensive for a non-American Indian to dress up in Indian costume?

I know Casper the ghost was a little ticked off at my 8 year old neice last year during halloween....

Chiefnj · 10-17-2005, 02:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Inspector

I know Casper the ghost was a little ticked off at my 8 year old neice last year during halloween....

Your neice isn't going to be laughing when a bunch of spooks, oops that isn't a politically correct term for ghosts, bunch of poltergeists protest her house every halloween.

ChiefsFanatik88 · 10-17-2005, 02:41 PM

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Originally Posted by kchiefsqt

Oooo your children are going to be pissssssed!!!... unless all you have is debt.

Actually, I don't have either. Thank you very much.

DeepSouth · 10-17-2005, 03:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Paul Palmer

Such comments are assinine and indicative of the fair share of idiot hillbillies who are Chiefs fans...
Look up the law to see why certain Indian tribes have casinos...

And about the "agility" honoring of Chiefs...anyone who knows that nearly all of the eastern counties in Kansas are named after tribes and how and why most of those tribes no longer reside there should check it...So now they are being honored?? Those chiefs back in the day got screwed...so now the nickname is some sort of honoring of their descendants?? Uhhhh...

I always root for the Chiefs (being raised in KC) but changing the name would be fine with me...

How about "Beef Lords" or "The Nationalists" or "Rushers" or "Sunflower Farmers" or .....

Are you a card carrying member of the ACLU ?

tk13 · 10-17-2005, 03:14 PM

The Kansas City Beef Lords. Now there's a name.

10-17-2005, 01:32 PM	#31
BigRedChief Has a particular set of skills Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: On the water Casino cash: $3129627 VARSITY	They were not there to protest the Chiefs. The Indian nation has decided to picket every Redskins game they ever play from now on until they change their name. From a poster over at the Coalition: I am a Proud American Indian and at the last meeting of Tribal leaders it was determined that there was to be a protest at every Redskins game. The name Chiefs was brought up and determined to be a name of Dignity. But the name Redskins is Totlally out of line and has been protested for many decades it is just the last few years that the media has picked up on the protest's. Protesting legally is American as American can be and also voicing your opinion about the protest are encouraged by the constitution. __________________ Fear leads to anger, anger leads to hate, hate leads to suffering. -YODA
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10-17-2005, 01:40 PM	#33
BigRedChief Has a particular set of skills Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: On the water Casino cash: $3129627 VARSITY	Another person posted this: If I'm not mistaken Redskin is a reference to the foreskin of native American males in the West during the late 1800s. Sinse a scalp could be from a man, women or child it was required to bring foreskin of proof of killing a Native American male for reward. I'd take offense to that too. Any history buffs know if this is true? This is where the "Redskins" name comes from? __________________ Fear leads to anger, anger leads to hate, hate leads to suffering. -YODA
Posts: 79,028

10-17-2005, 01:56 PM	#38
jspchief BAMF Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Your Face Casino cash: $9998710	I'm not going to claim that the team is "honoring" native Americans by choosing the name Chiefs. But I don't see how it could be considered insulting or derogatory. __________________ Courage is not the absence of fear but rather the judgment that something is more important than fear. The brave may not live forever but the cautious do not live at all.
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10-17-2005, 02:03 PM	#39
Inspector MVP Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: K.C. Casino cash: $9924975	Some people have their radar on all the time just itching for something to be disgusted about. My family has never had a problem with any of this and there are many full or partial native Americans amongst us. Geez, if this is really that serious of an issue to someone, then I'd be jealous cause that tells me they don't have much to gripe about.
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10-17-2005, 02:07 PM	#40
Chiefnj MVP Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Willis, Harris and Davis. Casino cash: $10004900	Isn't it offensive for a non-American Indian to dress up in Indian costume?
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10-17-2005, 03:14 PM	#45
tk13 ... Join Date: Nov 2001 Casino cash: $1972500	The Kansas City Beef Lords. Now there's a name.
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