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Old 09-30-2012, 07:53 PM   #1
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I would hope that people around here would know me as a pretty even-keel guy who doesn't get too high or too low on the team easily. I'm considering doing something I haven't done in over 15 years - skipping watching games intentionally. I just don't see the point until a TON of things change.
I'm seriously thinking about skipping next week's game and going to see "Looper."
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Old 09-30-2012, 07:56 PM   #2
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I don't blame Clark for bringing in Pioli. I don't blame him for OK-ing the Haley hire, nor the Crennel hire. I blame him for continuing to watch the embarrassment that is Matt Cassel and not stepping in in any way, shape, or form.

I would hope that people around here would know me as a pretty even-keel guy who doesn't get too high or too low on the team easily. I'm considering doing something I haven't done in over 15 years - skipping watching games intentionally. I just don't see the point until a TON of things change.
I disagree with the bolded part. What is the point in paying Pioli if he will dictate to him what QB starts? You can't be ok with whom Pioli picks as HC and then question his choice at QB. This needs to be the season where Clark started it by saying "You pinned your hopes on Cassel Scott. If he fails you will be fired." Now did any of that happen? Doubt it, but I respect Clark not micro managing those who work for him. Now I think he needs to fire Pioli after this season after 4 years of mediocrity.
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Old 09-30-2012, 08:07 PM   #3
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I disagree with the bolded part. What is the point in paying Pioli if he will dictate to him what QB starts? You can't be ok with whom Pioli picks as HC and then question his choice at QB. This needs to be the season where Clark started it by saying "You pinned your hopes on Cassel Scott. If he fails you will be fired." Now did any of that happen? Doubt it, but I respect Clark not micro managing those who work for him. Now I think he needs to fire Pioli after this season after 4 years of mediocrity.
Good managers step in when their subordinates are clearly struggling. That's not micro-managing. From what we've seen, Clark's idea of managing is paying and running away.
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Old 09-30-2012, 08:18 PM   #4
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Good managers step in when their subordinates are clearly struggling. That's not micro-managing. From what we've seen, Clark's idea of managing is paying and running away.
Or fire them which is what I am hoping he does after this season.
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Old 09-30-2012, 07:53 PM   #5
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I don't put the blame on Clark.

He spent the money to bring in the guy that seemed like the best candidate and paid top dollar to do so. He has also spent a ****ton of cash on players Pioli chose.

Pioli traded for Cassel and made the bold move of giving him that reeruned contract and has refused to even try to upgrade from an obviously failed move. Then, slaps the fanbase in the face with lies about competition, insults to the fanbases inteligence like the release about Cassels stats and allowing the coaching staff to be undermanned every ****ing year with MAJOR holes and refusing to make necessary changes across the board.

In a normal situation, Pioli would only be responsible for certain aspects, but this isnt a normal situation. Pioli has tried to micromanage every part of the team and therefore should be held completely responsible for his across the board failures.

It's a shame...if the bitch had hedged his bets with Orton...the season might have been salvegable.
Exactly. I think Pioli's built a much better team than he gets credit here for.
What's hilarious is that we know this team turns from shit show by making three key moves. Fine for Pioli to trade for Cassel, but he should have had competition in year 2 and he should have been canned last year. No excuse for hiring Romeo. No excuse for hiring Daboll.

And the only reason Pioli didn't make those moves is arrogance.
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Old 09-30-2012, 08:02 PM   #6
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I don't put the blame on Clark.

He spent the money to bring in the guy that seemed like the best candidate and paid top dollar to do so. He has also spent a ****ton of cash on players Pioli chose.
Correct. Pioli was the best GM candidate at the time. All of the NFL wanted him.

But now 4 years later, his decision to keep him would be his fault and held accountable.
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Old 09-30-2012, 08:05 PM   #7
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Correct. Pioli was the best GM candidate at the time. All of the NFL wanted him.

But now 4 years later, his decision to keep him would be his fault and held accountable.
No, he wasn't. He was Peter Princilped into the position. I find cHunt completely guilty of not performing his proper due diligence.
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Old 09-30-2012, 08:10 PM   #8
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No, he wasn't. He was Peter Princilped into the position. I find cHunt completely guilty of not performing his proper due diligence.
What GM did he miss on that actually moved on and succeeded somewhere else?

Let's not act as if Hunt hired a guy that everyone knew was gonna fail because that wouldn't be the truth.
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Old 09-30-2012, 08:17 PM   #9
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What GM did he miss on that actually moved on and succeeded somewhere else?

Let's not act as if Hunt hired a guy that everyone knew was gonna fail because that wouldn't be the truth.


Well, Dimitroff for one. Even in 2009, DeCosta was my guy (and a few others here as well).

Pioli's draft record, whether he had final say or not, sucked. His record in free agency was garbage. Hell, he didn't even want Brady in 2000.

Pioli was the "name" but if anyone had bothered to look deeper, you have seen, as I did, many, many flaws.

Too bad I was right.
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Old 09-30-2012, 08:13 PM   #10
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No, he wasn't. He was Peter Princilped into the position. I find cHunt completely guilty of not performing his proper due diligence.
Didn't Seattle offer Pioli the job without even meeting with him?
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Old 09-30-2012, 08:06 PM   #11
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Correct. Pioli was the best GM candidate at the time. All of the NFL wanted him.

But now 4 years later, his decision to keep him would be his fault and held accountable.
Absolutely.

The move NEEDS to be made this offseason, too. Clark needs to be decisive.

This should be a desirable spot for any prospective GM.

All he would need to do is draft a good quarterback and hire a good HC and then hit a few doubles in the draft...beyond that he would just need to do his best to keep the talent in house.
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Absolutely.

The move NEEDS to be made this offseason, too. Clark needs to be decisive.

This should be a desirable spot for any prospective GM.

All he would need to do is draft a good quarterback and hire a good HC and then hit a few doubles in the draft...beyond that he would just need to do his best to keep the talent in house.
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Honestly all we need to do is replace Pioli. A new GM will most assuredly can Crennel and Cassel.
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Old 09-30-2012, 07:50 PM   #14
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Honestly all we need to do is replace Pioli. A new GM will most assuredly can Crennel and Cassel.
That's true. Even if they liked both of them, they'd almost be forced into getting rid of them both just for the PR.
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Honestly all we need to do is replace Pioli. A new GM will most assuredly can Crennel and Cassel.
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