KC signs Gaither - Page 19

**Saul Good** · 08-11-2011, 09:22 AM

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Bewbies · 08-11-2011, 10:31 PM

I've already been told we can't begin evaluating Cassel yet because it's the preseason.

Speaking of Gaither, how many games before Cassel plunks one off the back of his head?

keg in kc · 08-11-2011, 10:42 PM

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Originally Posted by RedThat

Here is what I think could happen, the Chiefs go into the season with this starting offensive line:

LT Albert
LG Lilja
C Wiegman
RG Asamoah
RT Richardson

*Then as the season rolls along, I think the weakest links on this unit will be identified. Imo, they will be Richardson, Lilja, and Wiegman. Wiegman as we know is old and his body won't be able to keep up with an entire season. Lilja is going to struggle against the more bigger, physical and athletic DT's. Richardson will lose focus and have his struggles, especially in pass protection. I think Albert will have his struggles in pass protection as well but not to the extent of Richardson.

I could see this current unit struggling as a whole. And it could get to the point where we could see some shuffling going on? Possibly, Gaither comes in and automatically gets inserted to LT? In that case scenario, Albert moves over to LG. Which is what I hope happens. Move him back to his natural position and this guy will be in beast mode.

Then Hudson could come in and replace Wiegman? All of a sudden the issue of having to worry about being overpowered by physical and stronger DT's is resolved. Albert and Hudson are bigger, stronger, and just as athletic, if not, more athletic than Lilja and Wiegman combined. But the great thing is, we gain size, and strength on the interior of the line without losing any athleticism whatsoever.

The only issue I could see is RT. Richardson will struggle and then O'Callaghan could come in. If Gaither could get back to old form, he may be the key to our offensive line. We may have a steal.

An offensive line unit consisting of:

LT Gaither
LG Albert
C Hudson
RG Asamoah
RT ???? Richardson/O'Callaghan for now

is a pretty solid unit to have. Next year we may possibly draft a tackle to address the RT situation. And it could be in the early rounds? Or we could go the route via FA. I hope Gaither gets healthy and returns to old form.

Completely re-shuffling the o-line midseason. Nothing could possibly go wrong with that.

aturnis · 08-11-2011, 10:46 PM

In three seasons, Albert has averaged giving up 7 sacks. One of those seasons, his rookie year, the offense was pretty well designed to roll away from his side. Wonder how many he would have given up had that not been the case. I don't understand why some of you fight moving Albert so much.

"Can't believe you idiots want to move Albert to RT, of course, only on CP".

**** THAT! The guy IS NOT a LT in the NFL. Period. If the coaching staff wants to give him one more chance, whatever, who cares. If you are going to suggest him getting moved though, why RT? He played LG at a high enough level in college to warrant a 1st round pick.

Then you have Laz chiming in with, "Now that we've signed Gaither, everyone is pretending that Lilja is a weak link so they can justify moving Albert". WHAT?! I have seen exactly ONE person suggest that Lilja was a liability. Other than that, I think everyone just wants the best players on the line in their best position to play.

Lilja struggled plenty at RG. It may not show up in his sacks, but he made the lowlights of GIF'D UP plenty enough. Besides, having too many good interior lineman is a good problem to have.

I don't like the idea of moving Albert to RT just b/c we have a weakness there. That is not how you build a line. You put the best player for each position, at each position. If we wind up with a hole the size of Richardson at RT, then so be it. Mims could develop into the guy we need. God knows he's no LT. Too big and slow. He can manhandle big guys though, and that is what a RT does. He just needs to learn technique. Don't think he'd clear waivers, so I don't know that they'd cut him.

I do think though, that Albert COULD be a decent RT. That is unfortunately where I agree with Laz, and disagree with Milk. I think Albert gets beat by the speed guys too much. He seems to handle the bull rush though.

Hog's Gone Fishin · 08-11-2011, 11:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Detoxing

Didn't pass a physical with Oakland two weeks ago....Wonder what that was all about.

He couldn't hold a puff of weed more than 3 seconds.

rtmike · 08-12-2011, 12:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Hog Farmer

He couldn't hold a puff of weed more than 3 seconds.

It must have been some green bud from the NW?

HIChief · 08-12-2011, 12:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Sofa King

Why? Did we just draft a LT @ #1?

Signing a LT that someone else developed is NOT DEVELOPING OUR OWN! We must develop our own or it doesn't count.

There. I helped start his response to you.

We didn't develop Willie Roaf, but I bet all here will agree he sure as hell was counted on! If; and that's a BIG IF Gaither pans out the same way, I don't see why he shouldn't count.

ChiefsCountry · 08-12-2011, 12:54 AM

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Originally Posted by aturnis

**** THAT! The guy IS NOT a LT in the NFL. Period.

Your a dumbass.

**RealSNR** · 08-12-2011, 01:08 AM

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Originally Posted by HIChief

We didn't develop Willie Roaf, but I bet all here will agree he sure as hell was counted on! If; and that's a BIG IF Gaither pans out the same way, I don't see why he shouldn't count.

Context

BryanBusby · 08-12-2011, 02:01 AM

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Originally Posted by ChiefsCountry

Your a dumbass.

You're*

Mr. Arrowhead · 08-12-2011, 06:44 AM

http://www.kcchiefs.com/news/article...3-8be2c5321122

The Kansas City Chiefs announced on Wednesday that the team has signed unrestricted free agent T Jared Gaither.

Gaither (6-9, 340) has played in 33 regular season games (28 starts) and has started five postseason contests with Baltimore (2007-10). He originally entered the league in the fifth round of the 2007 NFL Supplemental Draft. He saw action in 23 games (17 starts) in two seasons at Maryland. Gaither played one season at Hargrave Military Academy in Chatham, Va.

Mr. Arrowhead · 08-12-2011, 06:45 AM

heh, it says he signed on Wednesday, I wonder how the Chiefs kept it quiet for a day

Sofa King · 08-12-2011, 07:21 AM

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Originally Posted by HIChief

We didn't develop Willie Roaf, but I bet all here will agree he sure as hell was counted on! If; and that's a BIG IF Gaither pans out the same way, I don't see why he shouldn't count.

Come on mang.

Saccopoo · 08-12-2011, 07:59 AM

Desperation move and nothing more.

Gaither is a pure left tackle that has a history of injuries, with a particularly bad back. He's only 25, and has only had one, perhaps two truly productive, but not great NFL seasons. The guy couldn't pass a physical with the Raiders, who are in a similar situation as the Chiefs with regard to desperately needing production from the OT position - perhaps even more so at the LT spot and they pass on the guy.

This signing is nothing more than a wish and hope that they guy can actually play because of the horrible production that they are seeing (perhaps for the first time for whatever reason) from the tackle position. Gaither isn't going to be the answer for either the LT or RT spot, and neither is Albert. Richardson sucks, though I'm sure that there are plenty around here who still hold out hope that he, like Albert, will finally "get it" and play to the hypothetical potential that some around here envision that both players possess.

I also see that everyone here reads that Mims put Dorsey on the ground and gets giddy that he's going to be the RTOTF. However, the dude is raw as sushi and does not have the mobility that is required to be effective in a zone blocking scheme that the Chiefs run.

In three drafts under Haley and Pioli, the OT position has not been addressed. Gaither, a 6'9", 340 lb. power/drive scheme left tackle only with a history of back injuries, is the only free agent signing of note at the OT position under this current regime. When the likes of Clay Matthews, Dwight Freeney, James Harrison, Jared Allen, Elvis Dumervil, et al., are going to be weekly sightings nearly every single week of the 2011 season, I'm hoping that Pioli and Haley finally understand the importance of having a quality offensive tackle on the roster.

I mean, shit. They are so ****ing desperate at this point for decent tackle production that they are trying to convert a defensive tackle and sign a guy who the Raiders wouldn't even take. That's sad.

When Cassel is getting raped every week this season, you can tell me all about team building through awesome drafting and savvy free agent signings.

**the Talking Can** · 08-12-2011, 08:08 AM

Albert isn't going anywhere....much like your hemorrhoids

aturnis · 08-12-2011, 08:15 AM

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Originally Posted by ChiefsCountry

Your a dumbass.

**** YOU! Prove otherwise. Guy has the "potental" to be a LT, mainly b/c he looks like a LT, he just doesnt have the ability.

08-11-2011, 09:22 AM
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08-11-2011, 10:31 PM	#271
Bewbies Ith Fuhtbawl Time Join Date: Apr 2010 Casino cash: $9999900	I've already been told we can't begin evaluating Cassel yet because it's the preseason. Speaking of Gaither, how many games before Cassel plunks one off the back of his head?
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08-11-2011, 10:46 PM	#273
aturnis MVP Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Iowa Casino cash: $9975811	In three seasons, Albert has averaged giving up 7 sacks. One of those seasons, his rookie year, the offense was pretty well designed to roll away from his side. Wonder how many he would have given up had that not been the case. I don't understand why some of you fight moving Albert so much. "Can't believe you idiots want to move Albert to RT, of course, only on CP". **** THAT! The guy IS NOT a LT in the NFL. Period. If the coaching staff wants to give him one more chance, whatever, who cares. If you are going to suggest him getting moved though, why RT? He played LG at a high enough level in college to warrant a 1st round pick. Then you have Laz chiming in with, "Now that we've signed Gaither, everyone is pretending that Lilja is a weak link so they can justify moving Albert". WHAT?! I have seen exactly ONE person suggest that Lilja was a liability. Other than that, I think everyone just wants the best players on the line in their best position to play. Lilja struggled plenty at RG. It may not show up in his sacks, but he made the lowlights of GIF'D UP plenty enough. Besides, having too many good interior lineman is a good problem to have. I don't like the idea of moving Albert to RT just b/c we have a weakness there. That is not how you build a line. You put the best player for each position, at each position. If we wind up with a hole the size of Richardson at RT, then so be it. Mims could develop into the guy we need. God knows he's no LT. Too big and slow. He can manhandle big guys though, and that is what a RT does. He just needs to learn technique. Don't think he'd clear waivers, so I don't know that they'd cut him. I do think though, that Albert COULD be a decent RT. That is unfortunately where I agree with Laz, and disagree with Milk. I think Albert gets beat by the speed guys too much. He seems to handle the bull rush though.
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08-12-2011, 06:44 AM	#280
Mr. Arrowhead MVP Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Wichita Casino cash: $10015708	http://www.kcchiefs.com/news/article...3-8be2c5321122 The Kansas City Chiefs announced on Wednesday that the team has signed unrestricted free agent T Jared Gaither. Gaither (6-9, 340) has played in 33 regular season games (28 starts) and has started five postseason contests with Baltimore (2007-10). He originally entered the league in the fifth round of the 2007 NFL Supplemental Draft. He saw action in 23 games (17 starts) in two seasons at Maryland. Gaither played one season at Hargrave Military Academy in Chatham, Va.
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08-12-2011, 06:45 AM	#281
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08-12-2011, 07:59 AM	#283
Saccopoo Kindness in words... Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Zion Casino cash: $10025483	Desperation move and nothing more. Gaither is a pure left tackle that has a history of injuries, with a particularly bad back. He's only 25, and has only had one, perhaps two truly productive, but not great NFL seasons. The guy couldn't pass a physical with the Raiders, who are in a similar situation as the Chiefs with regard to desperately needing production from the OT position - perhaps even more so at the LT spot and they pass on the guy. This signing is nothing more than a wish and hope that they guy can actually play because of the horrible production that they are seeing (perhaps for the first time for whatever reason) from the tackle position. Gaither isn't going to be the answer for either the LT or RT spot, and neither is Albert. Richardson sucks, though I'm sure that there are plenty around here who still hold out hope that he, like Albert, will finally "get it" and play to the hypothetical potential that some around here envision that both players possess. I also see that everyone here reads that Mims put Dorsey on the ground and gets giddy that he's going to be the RTOTF. However, the dude is raw as sushi and does not have the mobility that is required to be effective in a zone blocking scheme that the Chiefs run. In three drafts under Haley and Pioli, the OT position has not been addressed. Gaither, a 6'9", 340 lb. power/drive scheme left tackle only with a history of back injuries, is the only free agent signing of note at the OT position under this current regime. When the likes of Clay Matthews, Dwight Freeney, James Harrison, Jared Allen, Elvis Dumervil, et al., are going to be weekly sightings nearly every single week of the 2011 season, I'm hoping that Pioli and Haley finally understand the importance of having a quality offensive tackle on the roster. I mean, shit. They are so ****ing desperate at this point for decent tackle production that they are trying to convert a defensive tackle and sign a guy who the Raiders wouldn't even take. That's sad. When Cassel is getting raped every week this season, you can tell me all about team building through awesome drafting and savvy free agent signings.
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08-12-2011, 08:08 AM	#284
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