AFC West Coaches - A Rundown

[Buck]

Denver Broncos - Josh McDaniels:

Rookie Head Coach, 32 years old. Alienated his pro-bowl caliber starting QB, which in turn has pissed off his #1 WR. Has made somewhat of a mockery of his team in the short time he's been there.


Kansas City Chiefs - Todd Haley:

Don't know much about him other than that he too is a rookie head coach, and he's making his players earn a roster spot. According to many hes a "mf'n prick."


Oakland Raiders - Tom Cable:

Punched his assistant coach in the head. Nuff said. He's pretty much Al Davis' marionette.


San Diego Chargers - Norv Turner:

Known to make talented teams bad, yet he has had good playoff luck in the last 2 years. If anyone told you five years ago that Norv Turner would be the best coach in the AFC west, you would probably have laughed in their face, or kicked them in there balls.


Sorry if repost.

[Reerun_KC]

Originally Posted by milkman

Uh...dumbass....You won't find anyone that hates Marty more than me, but you are a ****ing idiot because you made the ridiculous assertion that Marty failed in Washington, and because you painted a picture of Norv as a figurehead that is nothing more than a hall monitor for AJ.

who cares if Marty failed or didnt fail in Washington...

Marty is Fail, plain and simple... Marty dreams of having the success that Norv has had in the playoffs as a cordinator or a head coach.

[milkman]

Originally Posted by Reerun_KC

who cares if Marty failed or didnt fail in Washington...

Marty is Fail, plain and simple... Marty dreams of having the success that Norv has had in the playoffs as a cordinator or a head coach.

I don't care whether he failed.

I do care, however, when someone makes an absurd assertion to support a stupid ****ing position.

[Gadzooks]

Originally Posted by milkman

I don't care whether he failed.

I do care, however, when someone makes an absurd assertion to support a stupid ****ing position.

How is the assertion that Marty was fired in Washington absurd? Was it justified? Not according to what was going happening on the field. Regardless, Snyder had a hand in his firing and when you have an owner that impedes your success you're bound to fail. As was the case for Norv in Was and Chokeland.
I'm not saying it was entirely the Owner's fault I just saying they hampered his success.

[milkman]

Originally Posted by Gadzooks

How is the assertion that Marty was fired in Washington absurd? Was it justified? Not according to what was going happening on the field. Regardless, Snyder had a hand in his firing and when you have an owner that impedes your success you're bound to fail. As was the case for Norv in Was and Chokeland.
I'm not saying it was entirely the Owner's fault I just saying they hampered his success.

This is what you said:

Working for Snyder and Al Davis as a HC he fell on his ass just as all of his predecessors did (including Farty).

He got fired, yes, but he didn't "fall on his ass".
He was making progress in transitiong that team from a soft, undisciplined team that he inherited from Norv.

Now, we both know that he would have fallen on his ass when he did get that team to the playoffs, but falling on his ass is a ridculous claim in that situation.

Ther can be no argument made for any of the other coaches in the division as "best coach", but to argue that Norv Turner is the best coach in the division simply because he's the only coach that has been a head coach previously is also beyond ****ing stupid also.

What we have are three untested coaches, and one sub .500 career coach.

He sucks ass out loud, and it's only a matter of time before his ass sucking becomes so loud that AJ will have to fire him.

[Gadzooks]

Originally Posted by milkman

This is what you said:



He got fired, yes, but he didn't "fall on his ass".
He was making progress in transitiong that team from a soft, undisciplined team that he inherited from Norv.

Now, we both know that he would have fallen on his ass when he did get that team to the playoffs, but falling on his ass is a ridculous claim in that situation.

Ther can be no argument made for any of the other coaches in the division as "best coach", but to argue that Norv Turner is the best coach in the division simply because he's the only coach that has been a head coach previously is also beyond ****ing stupid also.

What we have are three untested coaches, and one sub .500 career coach.

He sucks ass out loud, and it's only a matter of time before his ass sucking becomes so loud that AJ will have to fire him.

Look at what McDaniels has done to the Donks in his short time there.
Cable punched his Assistant coach (doesn't seem like a veteran coaching move).
Haley will need time for his players to get used to his more abrasive style of coaching.
I don't expect anyone of them to set the world on fire this season. A couple of years from now, with some experience and better players, they may become successful.
To say that experience and stability doesn't play a major role in coaching is asinine.
There are extenuating circumstances around why Norv is sub .500 in the regular season but it doesn't matter because he's above .500 in the regular season and, more importantly, the playoffs with the Chargers.
Going into this season, the Chargers are in the best shape in terms of coaching.
As for this whole Marty thing - When someone's fired, the perception is that they didn't live up to their bosses expectations, thus, "fell on their ass". Norv went to the playoffs with the Skins, the team talent fell off, they started to lose and that's when you bring in a Marty.
Norv's biggest hit to his regular season record came while he was with the Turds. Vince ****ing Lombardi couldn't save the Turds.

[milkman]

Originally Posted by Gadzooks

Look at what McDaniels has done to the Donks in his short time there.
Cable punched his Assistant coach (doesn't seem like a veteran coaching move).
Haley will need time for his players to get used to his more abrasive style of coaching.
I don't expect anyone of them to set the world on fire this season. A couple of years from now, with some experience and better players, they may become successful.
To say that experience and stability doesn't play a major role in coaching is asinine.
There are extenuating circumstances around why Norv is sub .500 in the regular season but it doesn't matter because he's above .500 in the regular season and, more importantly, the playoffs with the Chargers.
Going into this season, the Chargers are in the best shape in terms of coaching.
As for this whole Marty thing - When someone's fired, the perception is that they didn't live up to their bosses expectations, thus, "fell on their ass". Norv went to the playoffs with the Skins, the team talent fell off, they started to lose and that's when you bring in a Marty.
Norv's biggest hit to his regular season record came while he was with the Turds. Vince ****ing Lombardi couldn't save the Turds.

No one said that experience and stability isn't important.

But it doesn't make a whole lot of difference when you suck ass.
And Norv Turner sucks ass.

He will fail, eventually.

I personally think Ron Rivera will save his ass this season, but sooner, rather than later, his lack of leadership, which is illustrated by the fact that he's been a puppet wherever he's been, will lose him that locker room.

And you go ahead and make up your own perceptions.

The rest of us know that that perception is just fantasy of yours to make yourself feel better about having a suckass coach.

[milkman]

Oh, and while the Chiefs won't win a lot of games this year, the players are already responding to his abrasive style.

Any improvement in this team will be a succes on Haley's part.

[Gadzooks]

Originally Posted by milkman

No one said that experience and stability isn't important.

But it doesn't make a whole lot of difference when you suck ass.
And Norv Turner sucks ass.

He will fail, eventually.

I personally think Ron Rivera will save his ass this season, but sooner, rather than later, his lack of leadership, which is illustrated by the fact that he's been a puppet wherever he's been, will lose him that locker room.

And you go ahead and make up your own perceptions.

The rest of us know that that perception is just fantasy of yours to make yourself feel better about having a suckass coach.

How do you define leadership? Did Marty's "Gleam" speeches make him a good leader? Motivator, sure, but leader? Marty made stoopid decisions at key moments and that’s what makes him a shitty leader.
Is Belicheat a good leader? He can't be because he doesn't use the word "Gleam".
I'm going to stop insulting your intelligence and say that Norv is doing his job and he's doing it well. He needs to be an OC and make the key decisions for the team. The role of motivator is way down the list.
BTW – Rivera’s a bit of an unknown quantity but from the news coming out of camp we should be fine, thanks.

[LaChapelle]

This thread title will only need a slight adjustment in coming weeks: AFC West Coaches - A Running over or Rev up that bus.

[milkman]

Originally Posted by Gadzooks

How do you define leadership? Did Marty's "Gleam" speeches make him a good leader? Motivator, sure, but leader? Marty made stoopid decisions at key moments and that’s what makes him a shitty leader.
Is Belicheat a good leader? He can't be because he doesn't use the word "Gleam".
I'm going to stop insulting your intelligence and say that Norv is doing his job and he's doing it well. He needs to be an OC and make the key decisions for the team. The role of motivator is way down the list.
BTW – Rivera’s a bit of an unknown quantity but from the news coming out of camp we should be fine, thanks.

Leadership is hard to define.

But simply stated, a leader commands respect.

Norv doesn't.

As for Rivera, here's a guy that grew up playing LB in Buddy Ryan's 46 defense.
He cut his teeth as a LB coach in Jim Johnson's blitz happy defense in Philly.

He took over as DC in Chicago and they were a top 5 defense, something they weren't before he goty there, and haven't been since.

He bided his time as the LB coach for the Chargers, but when he took over mid season last year after Ted Cottrell was fired, that defense stepped up and played the way they were capable of playing.

[Gadzooks]

Originally Posted by milkman

Leadership is hard to define.

But simply stated, a leader commands respect.

Norv doesn't.

As for Rivera, here's a guy that grew up playing LB in Buddy Ryan's 46 defense.
He cut his teeth as a LB coach in Jim Johnson's blitz happy defense in Philly.

He took over as DC in Chicago and they were a top 5 defense, something they weren't before he goty there, and haven't been since.

He bided his time as the LB coach for the Chargers, but when he took over mid season last year after Ted Cottrell was fired, that defense stepped up and played the way they were capable of playing.

I think the players respect Norv and there haven't been any situations where any player has called him out. You just don't like his neck.
Rivera has great experience but, in Chicago, Lovie had alot to do with the defensive scheme and playcalling so this season will be his first where he can show off his own schemes and philosophies. He's got a great background and did a good job using Fat Teddy's playbook last season so I'm sure he'll be fine.

[milkman]

Originally Posted by Gadzooks

I think the players respect Norv and there haven't been any situations where any player has called him out. You just don't like his neck.
Rivera has great experience but, in Chicago, Lovie had alot to do with the defensive scheme and playcalling so this season will be his first where he can show off his own schemes and philosophies. He's got a great background and did a good job using Fat Teddy's playbook last season so I'm sure he'll be fine.

This is as far as I'm going with this debate.

But when I've watched players talk about coaches they really respect, you can sense the respect they have.

It's not the "He's my coach, so I'm doing what he asks of me" kind of responses you get.

The fact that his players aren't taking shots at him doesn't necessarily equal respect.

Hell, I think they like him, but I just don't sense the kind of respect that BB has with his players, that Parcells had, even what Coughlin has with the Giants.

[Gadzooks]

Originally Posted by milkman

This is as far as I'm going with this debate.

But when I've watched players talk about coaches they really respect, you can sense the respect they have.

It's not the "He's my coach, so I'm doing what he asks of me" kind of responses you get.

The fact that his players aren't taking shots at him doesn't necessarily equal respect.

Hell, I think they like him, but I just don't sense the kind of respect that BB has with his players, that Parcells had, even what Coughlin has with the Giants.

Well, that’s your perception, BB and Parcells have personnel control so the players may fear them more. So maybe you’re just not seeing the fear in the players eyes.
I guess we'll just have to agree to disagree.

[rambleonthruthefog]

a lot of players have had problems with coughlin over the years.

[Sweet Daddy Hate]

A ****ing "rah-rah rally" for Norv ****ing Turner; the apocalypse is truly upon us Chiefs Planet.