NFL Draft A mock draft that will make your heads explode - Page 13

Hootie · 01-02-2013, 08:27 AM

I still say we draft a punter #1 overall Exoter. We saw how valuable Colquitt was this year so I think we should let him walk and take the best punter on the board #1 overall. Agree?

Rasputin · 01-02-2013, 08:57 AM

Mike Golic on Mike & Mike just said he wouldn't draft a QBotf for his franchise QB. JHC I just lost all respect for him. WTF is wrong with him?

CoMoChief · 01-02-2013, 09:03 AM

You never take a safety at #5 overall!!!!!!!!! NEVAR!!!!!

duncan_idaho · 01-02-2013, 09:29 AM

Background: I have never been a QB or bust guy with the Chiefs first-round pick. I have debated quite intensely at times on this board about the guys available to the Chiefs at No. 1 (speaking out markedly against Sanchez and also Matthew "Front Mullet/China Doll/One above-average season" Stafford).

But this year? In this draft that doesn't offer any other true impact options at the Chiefs pick? I'm a "draft-a-QB" guy.

I think expecting a QB of high value to fall to No. 33 might be a bit optimistic.

The Jaguars are likely bringing in Tebow, but it wouldn't surprise to see them take a REAL QB at No. 2.

The Raiders need a QB, unless they're pinning their hopes on one game of Terrelle Pryor (in which he posted a 70.1 QB rating - as a Chiefs fan, you hope for this, right?)

The Browns took Brandon Weeden a year ago, but he stinks ( and was a later 1st round pick).

The Cardinals need a QB more than any team not called the Chiefs.

The Bills could draft a QB. Ryan Fitzpatrick is just OK, and he's not a spring chicken (He's 30).

The Jets need a QB, as Sanchez is terrible and Tebow is likely gone.

The Chargers have an old and declining Philip Rivers (31) and might be looking to backfill.

That's seven other teams that could logically draft a QB based on need/opportunity. It doesn't account for smart teams (like the Patriots) that would draft a QB if they feel it's the best talent there.

I don't think there are THAT many QBs of equal talent level that you can EXPECT one to fall to No. 33. Especially THE guy. Best thing for the Chiefs would be someone like Jarvis Jones just completely blowing up at the combine, enough to separate himself as the clear No. 1 pick (Joekel works here, too). That would make it a little easier to trade down and get the QB they want, and maybe nab a few extra picks.

But if trading down doesn't work, overdrafting a QB in this draft is just fine, IMO. The only way KC can really mess this up, IMO, is drafting Manti Te'o at No. 1. Talk about overdrafting... nothing screams "BUST" as a No. 1 pick like a guy who lacks positional value, isn't an impact player at that position, and is an average CFB athlete at his position.

If you're going to overdraft a player, overdraft an impact position player (QB, pass rusher, cornerback - though there are none that fit the bill this year). Don't overdraft a position of limited impact that can be easily filled in later rounds.

We'll see how Joekel grades out as draft day nears. He's a truly elite pass blocker, but his lack of ability in run blocking (where he is just OK, not great) separates him, IMO, from guys like Joe Thomas, Jonathan Ogden, Orlando Pace, etc.

htismaqe · 01-02-2013, 09:52 AM

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Originally Posted by duncan_idaho

Background: I have never been a QB or bust guy with the Chiefs first-round pick. I have debated quite intensely at times on this board about the guys available to the Chiefs at No. 1 (speaking out markedly against Sanchez and also Matthew "Front Mullet/China Doll/One above-average season" Stafford).

But this year? In this draft that doesn't offer any other true impact options at the Chiefs pick? I'm a "draft-a-QB" guy.

I think expecting a QB of high value to fall to No. 33 might be a big optimistic.

The Jaguars are likely bringing in Tebow, but it wouldn't surprise to see them take a REAL QB at No. 2.

The Raiders need a QB, unless they're pinning their hopes on one game of Terrelle Pryor (in which he posted a 70.1 QB rating - as a Chiefs fan, you hope for this, right?)

The Browns took Brandon Weeden a year ago, but he stinks ( and was a later 1st round pick).

The Cardinals need a QB more than any team not called the Chiefs.

The Bills could draft a QB. Ryan Fitzpatrick is just OK, and he's not a spring chicken (He's 30).

The Jets need a QB, as Sanchez is terrible and Tebow is likely gone.

The Chargers have an old and declining Philip Rivers (31) and might be looking to backfill.

That's seven other teams that could logically draft a QB based on need/opportunity. It doesn't account for smart teams (like the Patriots) that would draft a QB if they feel it's the best talent there.

I don't think there are THAT many QBs of equal talent level that you can EXPECT one to fall to No. 33. Especially THE guy. Best thing for the Chiefs would be someone like Jarvis Jones just completely blowing up at the combine, enough to separate himself as the clear No. 1 pick (Joekel works here, too). That would make it a little easier to trade down and get the QB they want, and make nab a few extra picks.

But if trading down doesn't work, overdrafting a QB in this draft is just fine, IMO. The only way KC can really mess this up, IMO, is drafting Manti Te'o at No. 1. Talk about overdrafting... nothing screams "BUST" as a No. 1 pick like a guy who lacks positional value, isn't an impact player at that position, and is an average CFB athlete at his position.

If you're going to overdraft a player, overdraft an impact position player (QB, pass rusher, cornerback - though there are none that fit the bill this year). Don't overdraft a position of limited impact that can be easily filled in later rounds.

We'll see how Joekel grades out as draft day nears. He's a truly elite pass blocker, but his lack of ability in run blocking (where he is just OK, not great) separates him, IMO, from guys like Joe Thomas, Jonathan Ogden, Orlando Pace, etc.

Great post.

Pin Head · 01-02-2013, 10:28 AM

no Geno in the first round. Not very realistic AT ALL, but....if you could get Geno in the second round--and it was guarenteed--who would you pick #1?[/QUOTE]

I'd like Geno a lot more at the top of round 2. There is some fantastic top end defensive talent. The Raiders are going to get Jarvis Jones I'm afraid. The Raiders and Jags should make out very well with the #2 and #3.

That 1st pick in round 2 is a 1st rounder value IMO...especially in what should be a pretty deep defensive draft. I also like some of the WR with late 1st round grades. We need talent at WR and 5th rounders is not the way to do that.

htismaqe · 01-02-2013, 10:35 AM

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Originally Posted by Narrow Head

no Geno in the first round. Not very realistic AT ALL, but....if you could get Geno in the second round--and it was guarenteed--who would you pick #1?

I'd like Geno a lot more at the top of round 2. There is some fantastic top end defensive talent. The Raiders are going to get Jarvis Jones I'm afraid. The Raiders and Jags should make out very well with the #2 and #3.

That 1st pick in round 2 is a 1st rounder value IMO...especially in what should be a pretty deep defensive draft. I also like some of the WR with late 1st round grades. We need talent at WR and 5th rounders is not the way to do that.

Jarvis Jones has spinal stenosis. It's more likely he, rather than Geno Smith, will fall to the 2nd round.

Pin Head · 01-02-2013, 10:43 AM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe

Jarvis Jones has spinal stenosis. It's more likely he, rather than Geno Smith, will fall to the 2nd round.

So did Earl Campbell..played with it his entire career.

htismaqe · 01-02-2013, 10:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Narrow Head

So did Earl Campbell..played with it his entire career.

So did Marcus McNeil, who fell from the top of the first to 2nd round even though he played a premium position.

King_Chief_Fan · 01-02-2013, 10:47 AM

If no Geno, then how could you not pick an OL?

lcarus · 01-02-2013, 11:14 AM

If Geno Smith has a slightly better chance of panning out than Wilson or the rest of the QB class, we should take him. If Te'o is a little better than the next ILB, big ****in deal. We gotta spend our pick on a QB that absolutely has the best chance to pan out. That's our #1 priority in this draft no matter what.

Hootie · 01-02-2013, 12:22 PM

if we take an OT or Teo #1 I'm going to turn the draft off right away and stop thinking about football for several months...start posting in DC with Direkshun.

Resign Albert and Bowe

DRAFT A ****ING QB

I don't ****ing care if that QB turns out to be nothing better than JeMarcus Russell. WE WASTED $120M ON TYSON JACKSON AND MATT CASSEL.

Pretty ok with potentially throwing $23M down the drain on a QB bust and missing out on Monte ****ing T'eo or Luke Jizzel.

**Dave Lane** · 01-02-2013, 12:33 PM

This time last year people had RGIII going to us at #11 and some didn't even have him in the first round. I predict the same will happen once dumb mother****ers start actually watching tape instead of talking out of their asses.

**Dave Lane** · 01-02-2013, 12:45 PM

http://hailredskins.com/MockDraft.htm

ALL the mock drafts there that have been updated recently show Geno Smith at the #1 pick...

Go see for yourselves...

**the Talking Can** · 01-02-2013, 01:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dave Lane

http://hailredskins.com/MockDraft.htm

ALL the mock drafts there that have been updated recently show Geno Smith at the #1 pick...

Go see for yourselves...

yup

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01-02-2013, 09:29 AM	#4
duncan_idaho M-I-Z-Z-O-U Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Kansas City Casino cash: $1570308	Background: I have never been a QB or bust guy with the Chiefs first-round pick. I have debated quite intensely at times on this board about the guys available to the Chiefs at No. 1 (speaking out markedly against Sanchez and also Matthew "Front Mullet/China Doll/One above-average season" Stafford). But this year? In this draft that doesn't offer any other true impact options at the Chiefs pick? I'm a "draft-a-QB" guy. I think expecting a QB of high value to fall to No. 33 might be a bit optimistic. The Jaguars are likely bringing in Tebow, but it wouldn't surprise to see them take a REAL QB at No. 2. The Raiders need a QB, unless they're pinning their hopes on one game of Terrelle Pryor (in which he posted a 70.1 QB rating - as a Chiefs fan, you hope for this, right?) The Browns took Brandon Weeden a year ago, but he stinks ( and was a later 1st round pick). The Cardinals need a QB more than any team not called the Chiefs. The Bills could draft a QB. Ryan Fitzpatrick is just OK, and he's not a spring chicken (He's 30). The Jets need a QB, as Sanchez is terrible and Tebow is likely gone. The Chargers have an old and declining Philip Rivers (31) and might be looking to backfill. That's seven other teams that could logically draft a QB based on need/opportunity. It doesn't account for smart teams (like the Patriots) that would draft a QB if they feel it's the best talent there. I don't think there are THAT many QBs of equal talent level that you can EXPECT one to fall to No. 33. Especially THE guy. Best thing for the Chiefs would be someone like Jarvis Jones just completely blowing up at the combine, enough to separate himself as the clear No. 1 pick (Joekel works here, too). That would make it a little easier to trade down and get the QB they want, and maybe nab a few extra picks. But if trading down doesn't work, overdrafting a QB in this draft is just fine, IMO. The only way KC can really mess this up, IMO, is drafting Manti Te'o at No. 1. Talk about overdrafting... nothing screams "BUST" as a No. 1 pick like a guy who lacks positional value, isn't an impact player at that position, and is an average CFB athlete at his position. If you're going to overdraft a player, overdraft an impact position player (QB, pass rusher, cornerback - though there are none that fit the bill this year). Don't overdraft a position of limited impact that can be easily filled in later rounds. We'll see how Joekel grades out as draft day nears. He's a truly elite pass blocker, but his lack of ability in run blocking (where he is just OK, not great) separates him, IMO, from guys like Joe Thomas, Jonathan Ogden, Orlando Pace, etc. __________________ "You gotta love livin', cause dying is a pain in the ass." ---- Sinatra Last edited by duncan_idaho; 01-02-2013 at 10:05 AM..
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01-02-2013, 10:28 AM	#6
Pin Head Banned Join Date: Dec 2012 Casino cash: $10004900	no Geno in the first round. Not very realistic AT ALL, but....if you could get Geno in the second round--and it was guarenteed--who would you pick #1?[/QUOTE] I'd like Geno a lot more at the top of round 2. There is some fantastic top end defensive talent. The Raiders are going to get Jarvis Jones I'm afraid. The Raiders and Jags should make out very well with the #2 and #3. That 1st pick in round 2 is a 1st rounder value IMO...especially in what should be a pretty deep defensive draft. I also like some of the WR with late 1st round grades. We need talent at WR and 5th rounders is not the way to do that.
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01-02-2013, 08:27 AM	#1
Hootie Banned Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Dallas, Texas Casino cash: $10004900	I still say we draft a punter #1 overall Exoter. We saw how valuable Colquitt was this year so I think we should let him walk and take the best punter on the board #1 overall. Agree?
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01-02-2013, 11:14 AM	#11
lcarus Everybody Lies. Join Date: Aug 2010 Location: 22 Acacia Avenue Casino cash: $1679928	If Geno Smith has a slightly better chance of panning out than Wilson or the rest of the QB class, we should take him. If Te'o is a little better than the next ILB, big ****in deal. We gotta spend our pick on a QB that absolutely has the best chance to pan out. That's our #1 priority in this draft no matter what.
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01-02-2013, 12:22 PM	#12
Hootie Banned Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Dallas, Texas Casino cash: $10004900	if we take an OT or Teo #1 I'm going to turn the draft off right away and stop thinking about football for several months...start posting in DC with Direkshun. Resign Albert and Bowe DRAFT A **ING QB I don't ing care if that QB turns out to be nothing better than JeMarcus Russell. WE WASTED $120M ON TYSON JACKSON AND MATT CASSEL. Pretty ok with potentially throwing $23M down the drain on a QB bust and missing out on Monte **ing T'eo or Luke Jizzel.
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01-02-2013, 12:33 PM	#13
Dave Lane Space Cadet and Aczabel Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Kanab, UT, USA Casino cash: $9333275 VARSITY	This time last year people had RGIII going to us at #11 and some didn't even have him in the first round. I predict the same will happen once dumb mother****ers start actually watching tape instead of talking out of their asses. __________________ Thanks, Trump for the civics lesson. We are learning so much about RICO, espionage, sedition, impeachment, the 25th Amendment, order of succession, nepotism, separation of powers, 1st Amendment, obstruction of justice, the emoluments clause, conflicts of interest, collusion, sanctions, oligarchs, money laundering and so much more.
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01-02-2013, 12:45 PM	#14
Dave Lane Space Cadet and Aczabel Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Kanab, UT, USA Casino cash: $9333275 VARSITY	http://hailredskins.com/MockDraft.htm ALL the mock drafts there that have been updated recently show Geno Smith at the #1 pick... Go see for yourselves... __________________ Thanks, Trump for the civics lesson. We are learning so much about RICO, espionage, sedition, impeachment, the 25th Amendment, order of succession, nepotism, separation of powers, 1st Amendment, obstruction of justice, the emoluments clause, conflicts of interest, collusion, sanctions, oligarchs, money laundering and so much more.
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