How I Met Your Mother

[AussieChiefsFan]

Originally Posted by Discuss Thrower

True, his judgeship acceptance was contrived to the point where a Redditor noted he took the time to ask if he could video conference, use a giant Jor-El head to officiate, et cetera et cetera but not take the time to make a phone call to Lily to talk about it. But at the same time you have to accept the notion that if he were offered the spot on the bench after such a short time of applying for it, he'd have to take the position.

That being said, the way Lily's actions have been written have opened her up to such hate. While she isn't a bitch per se, she's been made out to be pretty self-centered a lot of the time.

1) Going to San Francisco to find herself and get her art career started: I'll defend this one because at least it's a defensible thing for any person, female or male, to pursue. I'd think that if the writer's so chose, they could have made her career successful instead of not and have her brought back to NYC for Season 2 but postponed her and Marshall's rejoining to build up some tension.

But they didn't, so she came back when Barney flew out to SF to convince her to return because of how bad Marshall was.. even though he was just starting to look like he was moving on when he dated the girl at the coffee shop (Morena Baccarin) which brings me to my next point..

2) Lily broke into the apartment and stalked the coffee shop girl. If you flip the genders on these characters and this looks a hell of a lot creepier. Gender dynamics aside, Lily put the kibosh on him moving on to date someone else. That was part of her reason for going to SF: to find herself out of Marshall. Why can't he do the same?

3) Finally, why I really think Lily deserves to be taken down a peg, is the arc with Marshall working for Barney's bank. He took the job in large part to Lily's monstrous credit card debt, which is fine. However, when Marshall considered staying at said job, Lily attacked him for it because it didn't jive with her idea that Marshall would work as an environmentalist lawyer which is what he had planned up to that point. The ****? So you're fine with him paying off the thousands of dollars racked up in purchases (when she actually does purchase something, remember she does have deft hands when it comes to stealing) but not fine with how he's getting the money? Nuh-uh.

Pretty much this. I'm on Marshall's side on this.

[splatbass]

Originally Posted by Discuss Thrower

True, his judgeship acceptance was contrived to the point where a Redditor noted he took the time to ask if he could video conference, use a giant Jor-El head to officiate, et cetera et cetera but not take the time to make a phone call to Lily to talk about it. But at the same time you have to accept the notion that if he were offered the spot on the bench after such a short time of applying for it, he'd have to take the position.

It just seems to me that someone his age with his relatively short career as a lawyer would never be offered a judgeship, especially in NYC where there are likely hundreds, maybe thousands, of far more qualified lawyers. Seems really far-fetched.

[Chiefspants]

Originally Posted by ragedogg69

I have to agree. "Kids let me tell you this light hearted tale of how I met you mother, who had just recently died." ugh

I had wanted the twist ending to be adoption and the reveal of the "real" mother, but seeing Cristin Milioti preggers killed any chance of that happening.


Also, can we talk about how miscalculated this Marshall/Lilly fight was by the showrunners? Every discussion I have seen about this is pretty much "well, Marshall should have discussed it before taking the job" then a 4 page rant of every time Lilly has been a bitch on the show.

It is quite amazing to see. After this all plays out, I would love to see an interview question about this. Hopefully, without the Anna Gunn "People who don't like a female characters are just misogynists who think women should serve their husbands."

It's basically the Jim-Pam fight during Season 9 of The Office, but instead of a fifteen episode arc leading up to the fight, they decided to condense it down to one episode.

[ragedogg69]

Originally Posted by Chiefspants

It's basically the Jim-Pam fight during Season 9 of The Office, but instead of a fifteen episode arc leading up to the fight, they decided to condense it down to one episode.

I stopped watching the office by then. What was the fight about?

[duncan_idaho]

Good thoughts/breakdown of Lily.

She's never been an extremely likeable character. Part of that is because Lily and Robin and Marshall and Ted are examples of flipped gender roles.

Lily and Robin display a lot of traits usually reserved for the male gender role (me-first, find themself before committing, career-first, life-experience first, not wanting kids, logical rather than emotional, and probably a few that aren't springing to mind, sexual empowerment, sexual curiosity).

Meanwhile, in Ted and Marshall, you see two really sweet, nice guys that are relationship-first, family first, romantic, emotional).

The Ted-Robin relationship doesn't work because they're in different places or because she isn't The One. It doesn't work because Ted is too sensitive/progressive for Robin, and not (traditionally) manly enough.

One other thing I was thinking about after this week's role: They've done a lot in the last season and a half to break down some of the Barney Stinson facade. First, the settling down/falling in love with Robin. In the past episode, him admitting that he was broken inside and his behavior reflected that, and also his reveal that his entire job was an elaborate long con designed to get revenge on the guy who stole his girlfriend...

Not sure how I feel about that. Is Barney better off being humanized and brought back to earth, as they've recently done? Or is he better as a ridiculous caricature?

[Discuss Thrower]

Originally Posted by duncan_idaho

Good thoughts/breakdown of Lily.

She's never been an extremely likeable character. Part of that is because Lily and Robin and Marshall and Ted are examples of flipped gender roles.

Lily and Robin display a lot of traits usually reserved for the male gender role (me-first, find themself before committing, career-first, life-experience first, not wanting kids, logical rather than emotional, and probably a few that aren't springing to mind, sexual empowerment, sexual curiosity).

Meanwhile, in Ted and Marshall, you see two really sweet, nice guys that are relationship-first, family first, romantic, emotional).

The Ted-Robin relationship doesn't work because they're in different places or because she isn't The One. It doesn't work because Ted is too sensitive/progressive for Robin, and not (traditionally) manly enough.

One other thing I was thinking about after this week's role: They've done a lot in the last season and a half to break down some of the Barney Stinson facade. First, the settling down/falling in love with Robin. In the past episode, him admitting that he was broken inside and his behavior reflected that, and also his reveal that his entire job was an elaborate long con designed to get revenge on the guy who stole his girlfriend...

Not sure how I feel about that. Is Barney better off being humanized and brought back to earth, as they've recently done? Or is he better as a ridiculous caricature?

I think a large part of the problem is that the show should've only ran for 6-7 seasons max. I don't really believe they intended it to go 8. I think you see the cracks in the narrative once you realize that the whole point of Nick and Quinn/Karma in Season 8 were to extend the same plot points brought on by Kevin and Nora from seasons 6 and 7 for Robin and Barney respectively.

EDIT:

Spoiler!

A hole in my notion that the Mother is dead is that Monday's episode will be told by Milioti, and probably not Ted.. Whatever. I still think that killing her off in the finale makes sense considering Bays' (or is it Thomas') background in high-theatre.

[Red Brooklyn]

Originally Posted by Discuss Thrower

I think a large part of the problem is that the show should've only ran for 6-7 seasons max. I don't really believe they intended it to go 8. I think you see the cracks in the narrative once you realize that the whole point of Nick and Quinn/Karma in Season 8 were to extend the same plot points brought on by Kevin and Nora from seasons 6 and 7 for Robin and Barney respectively.

EDIT:

Spoiler!

A hole in my notion that the Mother is dead is that Monday's episode will be told by Milioti, and probably not Ted.. Whatever. I still think that killing her off in the finale makes sense considering Bays' (or is it Thomas') background in high-theatre.

Plus IF they did, the time traveler episode from last season would become profound. It would end up being one of the cornerstone episodes of the series instead of the uncomfortable fart noise that it is.

[ragedogg69]

Originally Posted by Red Brooklyn

Plus IF they did, the time traveler episode from last season would become profound. It would end up being one of the cornerstone episodes of the series instead of the uncomfortable fart noise that it is.

this one?

http://how-i-met-your-mother.wikia.c...Time_Travelers

[Red Brooklyn]

Originally Posted by ragedogg69

this one?

http://how-i-met-your-mother.wikia.c...Time_Travelers

Yes.

[Mr. Plow]

I don't remember the Time Traveler episode. It's probably best I don't.

[big nasty kcnut]

What if it ted that dying not the mother?

[Discuss Thrower]

Originally Posted by big nasty kcnut

What if it ted that dying not the mother?

Didn't cross my mind until a Redditor suggested that on /r/HIMYM

[kcfanXIII]

I don't think HIMYM has gotten any worse than any other long running show trying to stretch out a last season. The time travelers episode was pretty good I thought. I was the last of my friends to settle down, so maybe it just spoke to me a little more than those who have given input already. The past couple seasons haven't been as good, i'll agree, but I'm still enjoying the show.

I have to side with Marshall in this fight. All past events aside, he is the one that spent all that time and money going to school for his job. Lilly just kinda stumbled into her's, and now she claims its her "dream" but her dream was actually to become a famous artist, and the idea of being an art consultant didn't cross her mind until the captain offered her a job doing it. I get why she is upset, as Marshall didn't tell her until after he had accepted it, but I think any sane spouse would understand that a judgeship is the culmination of all of her husband's hard work.

[Red Brooklyn]

Originally Posted by kcfanXIII

I don't think HIMYM has gotten any worse than any other long running show trying to stretch out a last season. The time travelers episode was pretty good I thought. I was the last of my friends to settle down, so maybe it just spoke to me a little more than those who have given input already. The past couple seasons haven't been as good, i'll agree, but I'm still enjoying the show.

I'm a little hard on the time traveler episode because it felt really unnecessary, and it's filled with missed opportunities.

And I agree with the rest of what you said. I'm still very much enjoying it. The show has gone on too long. But I have faith that the home stretch will be worth the wheel spinning.

[kcfanXIII]

Originally Posted by Red Brooklyn

I'm a little hard on the time traveler episode because it felt really unnecessary, and it's filled with missed opportunities.

And I agree with the rest of what you said. I'm still very much enjoying it. The show has gone on too long. But I have faith that the home stretch will be worth the wheel spinning.

I thought the last two weeks episodes were pretty funny, so i'm hoping it picks up some steam. Looking forward to this monday's episode to see things from her point of view.

Anybody else hear they are thinking of doing a spin off called "How I Met Your Father" ? The host on 38 said something about it during one of the syndicated airings and I'm really not sure how I feel about it. Had they come up with the idea a few years back, I think the writers wouldn't be running on fumes, and it would have been a great idea. However, like we've said, they stretched this out too far and I'm worried any spin off wouldn't even be worthy. Kinda like Friends/Joey.