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Old 09-26-2013, 06:07 AM  
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Chiefs' offense: "one of the worst in the league, by nearly every measure"
http://www.arrowheadpride.com/2013/9...chiefs-offense

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The Chiefs are actually 12th in the league in PPG, at 23.7. But if you take away the 14 points the defense is directly responsible for, that number drops to 19 PPG, which would be tied for 23rd - with the Raiders. The Chiefs are relying on the defense to score points, which isn't good. Defensive scoring is random and shouldn't be part of the game plan. They didn't need Tamba Hali's pick-6 to beat the Jaguars, but they did need Eric Berry's against the Eagles.

They also are just not moving the ball; their 333 yds/gm is 21st in the league and their 4.9 yds/play ranks 25th. "Well Kyle," you may ask, " if the Chiefs offense is so bad, how are they undefeated this year?" That's an excellent question, thank you for asking. The answer is that the defense and special teams are much, much better than we thought.
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The problem the Chiefs are having is getting to the Red Zone in the first place. They're 30th in yards per drive, with only Tampa Bay and Jacksonville behind them, and Cleveland directly in front of them (not good company to be in). This is a really, really bad offense. But here's the real kicker: the Chiefs' offense has the best starting field position in the NFL this year, and still can't score.
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The Chiefs average 17 yards per drive better field position than their opponents (ok, ok, 16.95), the best mark in the NFL (2nd table). Only two other teams average more than 10 yards better starting field position than their opponents (New England and Chicago). The Chiefs' average starting line of scrimmage (LOS) is their own 36.97 yard line (best in the NFL), while their opponents average starting LOS is their own 20.02 yard line (also best in the NFL). What all of that means is the Chiefs's offense is handed consistently great starting field position and can't do anything with it, then they let the special teams pin opponents deep in their own territory. The defense bails out the offense by not letting opponents move the ball, giving the offense the ball back with great starting field position. Lather, rinse, repeat.
There's a nice breakdown of our defense against philly over there as well:
http://www.sbnation.com/nfl/2013/9/2...p-kelly-eagles

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I have to reiterate and emphasize just how much the Chiefs played man to man -- like a ton of it. And they have the secondary to handle it, unlike most teams in the NFL. Specifically, they matched up Sean Smith on Cooper a lot on the outside. If this had been a prize fight, Cooper's corner would have thrown in the towel somewhere around the middle of the second quarter. Smith owned him right up until the end of the game when he started cramping up. Cooper just couldn't shake him, especially on those aforementioned deep routes Kelly had him running all game.
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Old 09-27-2013, 12:42 AM   #1081
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So Eli Manning throws for 5,000 yards that year.

But you credit their shitty 25 PPG defense and #32 running game for getting them to the playoffs.

Cool story bro.
Once again, you quote stats without watching the games and make a false determination.

Matt Stafford threw for 5,000 yards and the Lions won 4 games.

The Giants were a 9-7 wildcard team that hit their stride once injured defensive players returned.

Sometimes I seriously wonder if you even watch football.
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Old 09-27-2013, 12:43 AM   #1082
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Once again, you quote stats without watching the games and make a false determination.

Matt Stafford threw for 5,000 yards and the Lions won 4 games.

The Giants were a 9-7 wildcard team that hit their stride once injured defensive players returned.

Sometimes I seriously wonder if you even watch football.
Dude, it's simple logic.

Only reason they were winning games that year was Eli.

How the **** do you win games with the #32 running game, moron?
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Old 09-27-2013, 12:43 AM   #1083
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NY won that sb by getting to Brady early and often...
That defense was amazing in the playoffs.
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Old 09-27-2013, 12:44 AM   #1084
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Dude, it's simple logic.

Only reason they were winning games that year was Eli.

How the **** do you win games with the #32 running game, moron?
They won nine games, moron.

The reason they dominated in the playoffs was because of that defense.
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Old 09-27-2013, 12:50 AM   #1085
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They won nine games, moron.
Because of Eli.

Thank god for elite QB play.
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That defense was amazing in the playoffs.
Absolute terrors.
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Because of Eli.

Thank god for elite QB play.
The Giants lost five of their final eight regular season games before sneaking into the playoffs.

Any reason why they won their final two after losing five out of the previous six?
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Old 09-27-2013, 01:36 AM   #1089
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Andy's offense is very much passing it to RB, quick hits.. very true WCO. Which is why Andy loves Alex. Taking care of the ball allows for the defense to do work and not have as much stress.
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Alex could become the first QB to take two different teams to the play-offs and get absolutely none of the credit. Maybe the history buffs could correct me on this.
Matt Cassel won 11 games with the Patriots and took the Chiefs to the 2010 playoffs.

Alex has been lucky here so far. He's riding what appears to be another top notch defense.
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We have all the pieces except a QB. I can't say that enough either, because it's so goddamned frustrating.
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"I just need to know a protection to call..... that we can block..."


Andy Reid seems to think the Chiefs' OL can't block worth shit no matter what protection he calls. I'm pretty sure you have no ****ing clue what a good offense entails.
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We have all the pieces except a QB. I can't say that enough either, because it's so goddamned frustrating.
This.

Aaaaaaaaaaaand of course:

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No offense but I don't know how anyone can say that Sean McGrath, Kevin Brock and Jeff Allen are "the right pieces".

Hudson needs to either shit or get off the pot. Asamoah sucks at pass pro. Journeyman Geoff Schwartz, who's been on three different teams in the past three years, looks better than any of them. And Eric Fisher is a joke.

Add to that, there's a serious lack of receiving depth and no established slot receiver.

This team has a lot of missing pieces, regardless of whether or not Alex Smith is the QB.
Mother****er; we're NOT hearing any bullshit about this ****ing line ANYMORE.

YOU AND ANYONE SPOUTING THIS BULLSHIT WILL CEASE AND DESIST NOW.

ENOUGH, GODDAMNIT.
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Andy Reid seems to think the Chiefs' OL can't block worth shit no matter what protection he calls. I'm pretty sure you have no ****ing clue what a good offense entails.
Honestly? I guess you missed the second quarter when Andy was yelling at Alex during the Thursday broadcast don't go all True Fan on me ( like many did during their support of Cassel.) During Cassel era the general consensus have said, including myself you must have a legitimate Franchise QB to win through the postseason and going to the playoffs.

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Negative, Dane.

The Giants had a terrible offensive line and running game when they won the Super Bowl in 2011.
I am a life long NYG fan, you are so full of shit. the NYG had a serviceable OL, they had 17 rushing TD's that season and Cruz became a star. They were sixth in the NFL for rushing TD's you idiot and their leading rusher was a 5'11" 195lbs RB.
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