Chiefs' offense: "one of the worst in the league, by nearly every measure"

[the Talking Can]

http://www.arrowheadpride.com/2013/9...chiefs-offense

some numbers to chew on from arrowhead pride

The Chiefs are actually 12th in the league in PPG, at 23.7. But if you take away the 14 points the defense is directly responsible for, that number drops to 19 PPG, which would be tied for 23rd - with the Raiders. The Chiefs are relying on the defense to score points, which isn't good. Defensive scoring is random and shouldn't be part of the game plan. They didn't need Tamba Hali's pick-6 to beat the Jaguars, but they did need Eric Berry's against the Eagles.

They also are just not moving the ball; their 333 yds/gm is 21st in the league and their 4.9 yds/play ranks 25th. "Well Kyle," you may ask, " if the Chiefs offense is so bad, how are they undefeated this year?" That's an excellent question, thank you for asking. The answer is that the defense and special teams are much, much better than we thought.

The problem the Chiefs are having is getting to the Red Zone in the first place. They're 30th in yards per drive, with only Tampa Bay and Jacksonville behind them, and Cleveland directly in front of them (not good company to be in). This is a really, really bad offense. But here's the real kicker: the Chiefs' offense has the best starting field position in the NFL this year, and still can't score.

The Chiefs average 17 yards per drive better field position than their opponents (ok, ok, 16.95), the best mark in the NFL (2nd table). Only two other teams average more than 10 yards better starting field position than their opponents (New England and Chicago). The Chiefs' average starting line of scrimmage (LOS) is their own 36.97 yard line (best in the NFL), while their opponents average starting LOS is their own 20.02 yard line (also best in the NFL). What all of that means is the Chiefs's offense is handed consistently great starting field position and can't do anything with it, then they let the special teams pin opponents deep in their own territory. The defense bails out the offense by not letting opponents move the ball, giving the offense the ball back with great starting field position. Lather, rinse, repeat.

There's a nice breakdown of our defense against philly over there as well:
http://www.sbnation.com/nfl/2013/9/2...p-kelly-eagles

I have to reiterate and emphasize just how much the Chiefs played man to man -- like a ton of it. And they have the secondary to handle it, unlike most teams in the NFL. Specifically, they matched up Sean Smith on Cooper a lot on the outside. If this had been a prize fight, Cooper's corner would have thrown in the towel somewhere around the middle of the second quarter. Smith owned him right up until the end of the game when he started cramping up. Cooper just couldn't shake him, especially on those aforementioned deep routes Kelly had him running all game.

[Rausch]

Originally Posted by KILLER_CLOWN

What would give you that impression? I predict somewhere between 2k and 4k, is that not seer enough brah?

To each his own I suppose...

[Sandy Vagina]

Originally Posted by gonefishin53

I think it's more on Reid than the players for the inconsistent offense. Alex Smith has shown he is comfortable and accurate throwing deep off play action. His pass to Fasano to start the Dallas game showed good timing, accuracy and execution of the play action pass. But if AR doesn't establish the run early, AS can't be effective at what he does best. The Chiefs have shown they can do the power run game effectively with their late game drives to seal wins vs the Cowboys and Eagles. Also, JC's TD run vs the Jags, with Stephenson at TE, was a good example of this offense's ability to run with power when they want to. I think if AR started the game with power running and play action passing with Stephenson at TE until Fasano and Kelce are healthy, AS would be more effective and would better utilize his best attribute (play action pass) and WRs Bowe and Avery. I think the pass blocking would also improve if the oline were attacking defenders at the snap in play action instead of dropping at the snap in pistol/spread offense.

That is a lucid, intelligent, well thought-out post.

[Halfcan]

Originally Posted by Rausch

Your sister is bi?...

awesome!

[Ace Gunner]

WCO is designed to pass pass pass, then run the rock when you have a lead. The better WCO offenses have a guy that can run and good blockers. That's pretty much how Reid's done it, he just needs this OL to get it going.

[Rausch]

Originally Posted by gonefishin53

I think it's more on Reid than the players for the inconsistent offense. Alex Smith has shown he is comfortable and accurate throwing deep off play action. His pass to Fasano to start the Dallas game showed good timing, accuracy and execution of the play action pass. But if AR doesn't establish the run early, AS can't be effective at what he does best. The Chiefs have shown they can do the power run game effectively with their late game drives to seal wins vs the Cowboys and Eagles. Also, JC's TD run vs the Jags, with Stephenson at TE, was a good example of this offense's ability to run with power when they want to. I think if AR started the game with power running and play action passing with Stephenson at TE until Fasano and Kelce are healthy, AS would be more effective and would better utilize his best attribute (play action pass) and WRs Bowe and Avery. I think the pass blocking would also improve if the oline were attacking defenders at the snap in play action instead of dropping at the snap in pistol/spread offense.

This.

I've stated it before.

If we run the Marty-WCO of the early 90's our team is ripe to rape faces.

Bang the ball, use PA, and keep the R/P plays a guessing game.

Alex is excellent at PA passing and we have the type of HB that demands respect.

Hopefully in year 2 Phat Andy has a DV epiphany...

[Ace Gunner]

I'm in favor of using Stephenson at TE all ****ing game, since Brock and the other scrubs have been horrible at TE.

But I have to disagree with the idea this OL can move people off the ball -- the TD was from one yard out and Jamaal hit a hole getting in, but he was the one who got the yard, not the OL.

Asamoah is mobile and shit, quick feet, but he's short armed and isn't a power blocker. Neither is Hudson. At least, not so far. They aren't able to run the ball up the A GAPS at all, haven't been able to do this since Waters left. You got to have bigger, long armed stout players to run the WCO the way Reid, Walsh and others run it. It's all about clearing throw lanes and then finishing with a run game.

[TheUte]

They have to be able to convert 3rd and 1, got to be able to stay on the field.

Seems like that is completely on the OL.

[chiefzilla1501]

Originally Posted by gonefishin53

I think it's more on Reid than the players for the inconsistent offense. Alex Smith has shown he is comfortable and accurate throwing deep off play action. His pass to Fasano to start the Dallas game showed good timing, accuracy and execution of the play action pass. But if AR doesn't establish the run early, AS can't be effective at what he does best. The Chiefs have shown they can do the power run game effectively with their late game drives to seal wins vs the Cowboys and Eagles. Also, JC's TD run vs the Jags, with Stephenson at TE, was a good example of this offense's ability to run with power when they want to. I think if AR started the game with power running and play action passing with Stephenson at TE until Fasano and Kelce are healthy, AS would be more effective and would better utilize his best attribute (play action pass) and WRs Bowe and Avery. I think the pass blocking would also improve if the oline were attacking defenders at the snap in play action instead of dropping at the snap in pistol/spread offense.

Good post, but I don't agree with you on the pistol. The pistol could be very effective in playaction, if they choose to use it. The spread is a different story.

[Sandy Vagina]

Originally Posted by Ace Gunner

I'm in favor of using Stephenson at TE all ****ing game, since Brock and the other scrubs have been horrible at TE.

You really feel that Sean McGrath has been horrible? I think he has been a surprisingly effective receiver so far. Not sure if he ever stays in to block or sucks at it.

... but I agree that there do seem to be times where the OL gets very little push in the run game inside.

[Rausch]

Originally Posted by Ace Gunner

I'm in favor of using Stephenson at TE all ****ing game, since Brock and the other scrubs have been horrible at TE.

But I have to disagree with the idea this OL can move people off the ball -- the TD was from one yard out and Jamaal hit a hole getting in, but he was the one who got the yard, not the OL.

Asamoah is mobile and shit, quick feet, but he's short armed and isn't a power blocker. Neither is Hudson. At least, not so far.

Hudson isn't a power blocker. He's an extremely mobile C that can run out and lead and pull with athleticism.

Big John is confusing. At times he's ****ing mauling people in the run game and other times he's mashed back into the QB. He's definitely an incomplete and an enigma...

[Sandy Vagina]

Not sure if this article has been referenced yet.

KC Chiefs offense: More damned lies and statistics

http://www.arrowheadpride.com/2013/9...and-statistics

I have to congratulate the poster for inflaming the fan base. I especially enjoyed the contentiousness around KV2's methodology. Specifically, she adjusted the Chiefs' total points number downward by subtracting the team's defensive scores but did not do the same for the rest of the league. She acknowledged as much in the commentary, but for some readers, this flaw was enough to invalidate the entire argument. I'll offer a couple of comments and conclusions from what the data shows me:

In terms of points, the Chiefs go from slightly above average to slightly below average when adjusting for DST Points. After 3 weeks in a totally new offense and with a high degree of turnover in personnel, this is not a discouraging result to me. I do believe the offense must improve to stay on the playoffs track and to perform well once we get there, but so far so good.

[Mav]

Originally Posted by Rausch

This.

I've stated it before.

If we run the Marty-WCO of the early 90's our team is ripe to rape faces.

Bang the ball, use PA, and keep the R/P plays a guessing game.

Alex is excellent at PA passing and we have the type of HB that demands respect.

Hopefully in year 2 Phat Andy has a DV epiphany...

Im hoping he starts that a little earlier than next season.

Tomorrow would be excellent timing.

[Ace Gunner]

Originally Posted by Mac-NinersChiefs

You really feel that Sean McGrath has been horrible? I think he has been a surprisingly effective receiver so far. Not sure if he ever stays in to block or sucks at it.

... but I agree that there do seem to be times where the OL gets very little push in the run game inside.

He's had a few good catches, but his blocking isn't worth shit. Not so far. He's worth a roster spot because this team is looking for TE's, but he's going to need to get better if he wants to stick.

[Rausch]

Originally Posted by Mavericks Ace

Im hoping he starts that a little earlier than next season.

Tomorrow would be excellent timing.

Won't happen...

[Ace Gunner]

Originally Posted by Mac-NinersChiefs

Not sure if this article has been referenced yet.

KC Chiefs offense: More damned lies and statistics

http://www.arrowheadpride.com/2013/9...and-statistics

so far, so good because they are winning. Reid is walking a fine line though.