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that is really stupid. 2. I would argue that Hagemon did as well for his weight in the 40. I dont really care about the 40 yard dash. Defensive lineman arent required to run 40yrds. There are plenty of players with similar weight who ran a similar 10yrd dash. Some might wonder what tests are important Quote:
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04-03-2014, 04:49 PM | #2 |
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Here are Defensive lineman, who were drafted in the first 2 rounds in the last 5 years, with arm length of 34" or more, and 33" or below
There are only a couple of 33"- that I would want on my team and only a couple of 34"+ I wouldn't want on my team. note: $ means pro bowler which 34"+ wins 9-2. The pro bowl is very subjective and by no means how talented a player is but I feel it is a good representative of 9/11=81.8% of how much more successful of longer armed d-line are can be than short armed. Longer arm people can get off blocks just so much easier. You can't teach physical traits. Arm length 34 or higher 2013 Sheldon Richardson Kawann Short Ziggy Ansah Tank Carradine 2012 Chandler Jones Andre Branch Fletcher Cox Michael Brockers 2011 Nick Fairley Phil Taylor Aldon Smith $ J.J. Watt $$ d-mvp 12' Robert Quinn $ Cameron Jordan $ Cameron Heyward Muhammad Wilkerson 2010 Jason Pierre-Paul $$ Derrick Morgan Carlos Dunlap Jared Odrick Torell Troup Linval Joseph Terrence Cody 2009 Evander Hood Sen'Derrick Marks Brian Orakpo $$ This year potenital 1/2 round prospects with 34"+ arms Jadeveon Clowney Kareem Martin Chris Smith Marcus Smith Stephon Tuitt Ra'Shede Hageman Kony Ealy Arm length 33 or lower 2013 Sharrif Floyd Johnathan Hankins Datone Jones 2012 Shea McClellin Nick Perry Courtney Upshaw Vinny Curry Dontari Poe $ Jerel Worthy 2011 Marvin Austin Stephen Paea Brooks Reed 2010 Tyson Alualu Brian Price Lamarr Houston 2009 B.J. Raji $ Peria Jerry Ron Brace Larry English David Veikune Robert Ayers This year potenital 1/2 round prospects Jeremiah Attaochu Scott Crichton Dee Ford Aaron Donald Timmy Jernigan Ego Ferguson Louis Nix Will Sutton Dominique Easley |
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Since people keep comparing the chiefs defense to the jets, I figured it would be a good idea to see what defensive lineman they have drafted since 2007:
Sheldon Richardson - 6'3'', 294 lbs, 34+ arms Quinton Coples - 6'6'', 290 lbs, 33.25" arms Muhammad Wilkerson - 6'4'', 315 lbs, 35" arms Kenrick Ellis - 6'4'', 346 lbs, 35" arms dont see any short, short armed, undersized players. |
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Scouting director: 2014 DL class 'worst I've seen in a long time'
Jadeveon Clowney is far from the only defensive lineman in the 2014 NFL Draft an NFC scouting director doesn't hold in high regard. The scouting director, who directed harsh criticism toward Clowney, doesn't see much to like in the entire class of defensive linemen this year. "It's a bad year," he said, according to nj.com. "It's the worst group I've seen in a long time." As for the top interior defensive linemen this year, Pitt's Aaron Donald ranks 14th, Florida State's Timmy Jernigan ranks 18th, Notre Dame's Louis Nix ranks 28th and Minnesota's Ra'Shede Hageman ranks 30th on Jeremiah's list. The nj.com story quoted the NFC scouting director as well as an NFC scout an an AFC personnel executive on several of this year's top DL prospects, and Clowney wasn't the only one that received the "lazy" label. Here's a look at some of their comments: Stephon Tuitt NFC scouting director: "Lazy. He's an underachiever. I would just say no." AFC personnel executive: "I think he's better as a 3-4 end, than a 4-3 tackle. He has the size and build for it. But there were games where he just didn't do anything." Kony Ealy NFC scouting director: "He's got good size. He's big, fast, strong. There's a lot to work with there. Could he be a 3-4 linebacker? Yeah, he could, but I think he's a 4-3 end. He's a late first-round pick for sure." Louis Nix AFC personnel executive: "Classic nose tackle. He reminds me of (Packers NT) B.J. Raji. You put some people around him and he could make an impact." NFC scout: "I don't see much there. He's not for us." Aaron Donald NFC scouting director: "I don't know about this guy. You look at him, and he's too small. But then you watch him and all he does is produce. I'm torn on him." Ra'Shede Hageman NFC scouting director: "When he wants to play, he can. You watch him for a couple of plays, and you see things. Then, you don't see him again." AFC personnel executive: "He's big and talented. But he's lazy." Timmy Jernigan NFC scout: "He tapped out in the championship game. On that last Auburn drive, you couldn't find him." AFC personnel executive: "He can do a lot of things. He's very strong. He's a first-rounder." |
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Question. What do you guys think of Quarles playing the 5-tech?
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04-14-2014, 11:09 PM | #6 |
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I'm very much in agreement about not liking this year's crop of defensive lineman. There are a few that I like and a bunch of meh...
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Stephon Tuitt is lazy and an underachiever?
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I still think Tuitt and Hagemon would be great fits for the chiefs
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04-15-2014, 03:53 PM | #9 |
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I want nothing to do with Hageman. We've invested enough at the position. Taking him would be one step removed from taking a guard...
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I wouldn't take him because of his off field issues (kinda scary) but not because of said position.
Unlike Romeos 34, we don't really sit in the base much at all, so I think a guy with his talent, if properly cultivated, could be a great asset next to Poe and the other dl |
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We need IMPACT in this draft. Rashede Hageman is going to be limited in his ability to be that solely because of his position. EDIT: Vance Walker can provide everything Hageman can. |
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