Restating the obvious, Dorsey learned from Ted Thompson

[kcxiv]

Originally Posted by Iconic

Remember when everyone thought Matt Barkley was our QBOTF. Lol good times...

As a chiefs fan i dont even know what its like to have a QBOTF. I'd like to see one day. lol

ONe thing i do know as a Chiefs fan is they dont make going into a season very exciting.

[BossChief]

A big reason a lot of CPers (including myself) wanted us to draft Claussen was because of the Charlie Weis connection.

[BossChief]

Here's a list of the players GB has gotten from their comp picks over the years...

Josh Boyd
Mike Daniels
Herron McMillan
Andrew Datko
BJ Coleman
Davon House
Marshall Newhouse
Josh Sitton

A whole lot of meh.

If it wasnt so much work, I'd do the research to show the list of free agents they lost to get those comp picks and I'd bet anything that list of players would be a lot more impressive.

[RealSNR]

Originally Posted by BossChief

Here's a list of the players GB has gotten from their comp picks over the years...

Josh Boyd
Mike Daniels
Herron McMillan
Andrew Datko
BJ Coleman
Davon House
Marshall Newhouse
Josh Sitton

A whole lot of meh.

If it wasnt so much work, I'd do the research to show the list of free agents they lost to get those comp picks and I'd bet anything that list of players would be a lot more impressive.

Sitton is the only starter.

House is pretty valuable depth. He was a great pick to make with a comp selection.

Newhouse has been up and down, and is nothing more than OL depth.

I thought that Jerron McMillian was going to be a stud. I'm delighted we're at least going to give him a chance, but odds are if the Packers don't like anything about him, he's not going to stick with us either.

[Easy 6]

Originally Posted by BossChief

Here's a list of the players GB has gotten from their comp picks over the years...

Josh Boyd
Mike Daniels
Herron McMillan
Andrew Datko
BJ Coleman
Davon House
Marshall Newhouse
Josh Sitton

A whole lot of meh.

If it wasnt so much work, I'd do the research to show the list of free agents they lost to get those comp picks and I'd bet anything that list of players would be a lot more impressive.

Looks like a metric ton of free yet wasted picks... do better with that and it all of a sudden it looks like a free lottery.

If the "comp pick" angle is what Dorsey is going for as a franchise model then he DAMN well do better than this.

[WhiteWhale]

Originally Posted by BossChief

Here's a list of the players GB has gotten from their comp picks over the years...

Josh Boyd
Mike Daniels
Herron McMillan
Andrew Datko
BJ Coleman
Davon House
Marshall Newhouse
Josh Sitton

A whole lot of meh.

If it wasnt so much work, I'd do the research to show the list of free agents they lost to get those comp picks and I'd bet anything that list of players would be a lot more impressive.

I've always felt this was a bad way to judge such things, because having extra picks often dramatically changes the entire strategy of the draft.

Look at what KC did with the Jared Allen trade. We nabbed Albert, Charles, and that shitty Safety... Morgan or whatever. However I still feel that KC would have not drafted Brandon Flowers if not for the extra picks they gained.

[mcaj22]

Originally Posted by BossChief

Here's a list of the players GB has gotten from their comp picks over the years...

Josh Boyd
Mike Daniels
Herron McMillan
Andrew Datko
BJ Coleman
Davon House
Marshall Newhouse
Josh Sitton

A whole lot of meh.

If it wasnt so much work, I'd do the research to show the list of free agents they lost to get those comp picks and I'd bet anything that list of players would be a lot more impressive.

Ted Thompson has also splashed on veteran FAs more than the Chiefs ever have. Charles Woodson and Julius Peppers come to mind here. I'd rather have Charles Woodson and Julius Peppers over everything Dorsey has signed so far for the Chiefs

[el borracho]

Alex Smith failed to throw a touchdown in 6 games in 2013 (almost 38% of the games!); the Chiefs record in these games was 5 and 1.

Alex Smith threw for less than 200 yards in 5 games in 2013; the Chiefs record in these games was 4 and 1.

The Chiefs defense allowed 23 or more points in 5 games in 2013; the Chiefs record in these games was 1 and 4.

How does anybody credit Alex Smith with the Chiefs win/loss record in 2013, outside of not turning the ball over?


The cost for Smith, by the way, is not just the two 2nd round picks- you need to factor in the opportunity cost of not spending a high draft pick on a QB in 2013; not spending a high draft pick on a QB in 2014; and, if Smith is given an extension, likely not spending a high draft pick on a QB until 2016 or 2017. Congratulations, Chiefs fans- all of your QBOTF hopes will now rest on low round picks and undrafted free-agent QBs.

The whole concept of trading for another team's backup QB is a disaster and I can't believe that Chiefs fans aren't universally outraged. Smith in particular is a disaster (23 touchdowns in a "career" year and 0 touchdown passes in 38% of the games). And the coming contract extension is yet another disaster. Chiefs fans had better hope that Dorsey either puts together an all-time defense or pulls another Aaron Rogers out of his ass, because Smith will never be a franchise QB.

[Easy 6]

Axl Smythe sucks like Tim Couch, give up hope all ye who enter...

Sure, many things are disappointing, but our QB is at the top of that list

[mcaj22]

Originally Posted by el borracho

Alex Smith failed to throw a touchdown in 6 games in 2013 (almost 38% of the games!); the Chiefs record in these games was 5 and 1.

Alex Smith threw for less than 200 yards in 5 games in 2013; the Chiefs record in these games was 4 and 1.

The Chiefs defense allowed 23 or more points in 5 games in 2013; the Chiefs record in these games was 1 and 4.

How does anybody credit Alex Smith with the Chiefs win/loss record in 2013, outside of not turning the ball over?


The cost for Smith, by the way, is not just the two 2nd round picks- you need to factor in the opportunity cost of not spending a high draft pick on a QB in 2013; not spending a high draft pick on a QB in 2014; and, if Smith is given an extension, likely not spending a high draft pick on a QB until 2016 or 2017. Congratulations, Chiefs fans- all of your QBOTF hopes will now rest on low round picks and undrafted free-agent QBs.

The whole concept of trading for another team's backup QB is a disaster and I can't believe that Chiefs fans aren't universally outraged. Smith in particular is a disaster (23 touchdowns in a "career" year and 0 touchdown passes in 38% of the games). And the coming contract extension is yet another disaster. Chiefs fans had better hope that Dorsey either puts together an all-time defense or pulls another Aaron Rogers out of his ass, because Smith will never be a franchise QB.

The games Smith didn't throw a TD in were against QBs of the likes of Thad Lewis, Case Keenum, Mike Vick, Terrell Pryor, Andy Luck.

As of right now only ONE of those QBs will be a starter next year.

Your argument actually shows how overrated and shitty our defense is. The Chiefs defense was able to beat on really, really, really shitty QBs and unprepared offensive systems for that week. Whereas Alex Smith had to keep them in both Denver games and the first SD games

Alex Smith against Luck, Rivers, Manning: 11 touchdowns and 3 picks.

The Chiefs defense in those four games gave up a bajillion ****ing yards and points. Because the Chiefs defense is the ****ing problem, not Alex Smith.

[HemiEd]

Originally Posted by el borracho

Alex Smith failed to throw a touchdown in 6 games in 2013 (almost 38% of the games!); the Chiefs record in these games was 5 and 1.

Alex Smith threw for less than 200 yards in 5 games in 2013; the Chiefs record in these games was 4 and 1.

The Chiefs defense allowed 23 or more points in 5 games in 2013; the Chiefs record in these games was 1 and 4.

How does anybody credit Alex Smith with the Chiefs win/loss record in 2013, outside of not turning the ball over?


The cost for Smith, by the way, is not just the two 2nd round picks- you need to factor in the opportunity cost of not spending a high draft pick on a QB in 2013; not spending a high draft pick on a QB in 2014; and, if Smith is given an extension, likely not spending a high draft pick on a QB until 2016 or 2017. Congratulations, Chiefs fans- all of your QBOTF hopes will now rest on low round picks and undrafted free-agent QBs.

The whole concept of trading for another team's backup QB is a disaster and I can't believe that Chiefs fans aren't universally outraged. Smith in particular is a disaster (23 touchdowns in a "career" year and 0 touchdown passes in 38% of the games). And the coming contract extension is yet another disaster. Chiefs fans had better hope that Dorsey either puts together an all-time defense or pulls another Aaron Rogers out of his ass, because Smith will never be a franchise QB.

Boom goes the ****ing truth!

[Just Passin' By]

Originally Posted by HemiEd

Boom goes the ****ing truth!

Truth? Well, maybe a very misleading version of it. It hides the truth as much as it shows any.

[chiefzilla1501]

Originally Posted by el borracho

Alex Smith failed to throw a touchdown in 6 games in 2013 (almost 38% of the games!); the Chiefs record in these games was 5 and 1.

Alex Smith threw for less than 200 yards in 5 games in 2013; the Chiefs record in these games was 4 and 1.

The Chiefs defense allowed 23 or more points in 5 games in 2013; the Chiefs record in these games was 1 and 4.

How does anybody credit Alex Smith with the Chiefs win/loss record in 2013, outside of not turning the ball over?


The cost for Smith, by the way, is not just the two 2nd round picks- you need to factor in the opportunity cost of not spending a high draft pick on a QB in 2013; not spending a high draft pick on a QB in 2014; and, if Smith is given an extension, likely not spending a high draft pick on a QB until 2016 or 2017. Congratulations, Chiefs fans- all of your QBOTF hopes will now rest on low round picks and undrafted free-agent QBs.

The whole concept of trading for another team's backup QB is a disaster and I can't believe that Chiefs fans aren't universally outraged. Smith in particular is a disaster (23 touchdowns in a "career" year and 0 touchdown passes in 38% of the games). And the coming contract extension is yet another disaster. Chiefs fans had better hope that Dorsey either puts together an all-time defense or pulls another Aaron Rogers out of his ass, because Smith will never be a franchise QB.

I don't think many people on CP are crediting Smith for his win/loss record. I was a really big critic most of the year.

Even the biggest of critics have said the second half version of Alex Smith was better and different than any Alex Smith we ever saw in San Fran. Even if the Chiefs didn't pull off many wins the second half of the year, the way Smith played, we could have pulled most of those wins off with even just an average defense. Smith was one of the main reasons we were keeping games close. I NEVER thought Smith was capable of carrying a team, but he did.

That being said… Smith is a QB that needs help around him to succeed.

[TripleThreat]

Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

I don't think many people on CP are crediting Smith for his win/loss record. I was a really big critic most of the year.

Even the biggest of critics have said the second half version of Alex Smith was better and different than any Alex Smith we ever saw in San Fran. Even if the Chiefs didn't pull off many wins the second half of the year, the way Smith played, we could have pulled most of those wins off with even just an average defense. Smith was one of the main reasons we were keeping games close. I NEVER thought Smith was capable of carrying a team, but he did.

That being said… Smith is a QB that needs help around him to succeed.

A quarterback needs help around him to succeed? imagine that....

Look at Peyton Mannings surrounding cast.. Theres a guy you could say the same thing about then because most would argue he is quarterbacking the most talented roster in the NFL...

Tom Brady? Would u say its his system? Who knows but cassell went 11-6 with them and then sh1t the bed in the nfl when he left the patriots..

Im pretty sure quarterbacks need some type of help in the NFL to succeed no matter who it is.

[Coochie liquor]

Originally Posted by el borracho

Alex Smith failed to throw a touchdown in 6 games in 2013 (almost 38% of the games!); the Chiefs record in these games was 5 and 1.

Alex Smith threw for less than 200 yards in 5 games in 2013; the Chiefs record in these games was 4 and 1.

The Chiefs defense allowed 23 or more points in 5 games in 2013; the Chiefs record in these games was 1 and 4.

How does anybody credit Alex Smith with the Chiefs win/loss record in 2013, outside of not turning the ball over?


The cost for Smith, by the way, is not just the two 2nd round picks- you need to factor in the opportunity cost of not spending a high draft pick on a QB in 2013; not spending a high draft pick on a QB in 2014; and, if Smith is given an extension, likely not spending a high draft pick on a QB until 2016 or 2017. Congratulations, Chiefs fans- all of your QBOTF hopes will now rest on low round picks and undrafted free-agent QBs.

The whole concept of trading for another team's backup QB is a disaster and I can't believe that Chiefs fans aren't universally outraged. Smith in particular is a disaster (23 touchdowns in a "career" year and 0 touchdown passes in 38% of the games). And the coming contract extension is yet another disaster. Chiefs fans had better hope that Dorsey either puts together an all-time defense or pulls another Aaron Rogers out of his ass, because Smith will never be a franchise QB.

Not sure if you know this BUT..... We have one of the best rb in the league. When you can run the ball effectively you don't have to throw tons of yards or tds. But you DO have to have a qb who wont turn the ball over often and makes good decisions when he does throw it. Alex Smith did that. I guarantee if you put Geno, or whoever you thought we should draft at qb last year, or any of the other garbage FA qbs that were available last off season we wouldn't have made the playoffs let alone put up 40+ points to have our defense shredded.