Royals Guillen's antics -- Your take on them - Page 5

Silock · 07-06-2008, 06:17 AM

At first, I was willing to chalk it up to a guy disappointed with not winning. Now I just think he's a douchebag. He knew what he was signing up for when he signed with the Royals. Why be pissed about it all the time? **** him.

Pasta Little Brioni · 07-06-2008, 03:39 PM

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Originally Posted by DeezNutz

It's frightening.

In my opinion, it serves as a microcosm for how terrible the entire organization has been for the past decade. Things are better, but stuff like this happens and one realizes the Royals have a long way to go.

Wow...they are actually having a tony pena jr. bobble head night?

Nothing worse then an organization trying to make crappy players sound like all stars.

**DeezNutz** · 07-06-2008, 03:42 PM

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Originally Posted by PGM

Wow...they are actually having a tony pena jr. bobble head night?

Nothing worse then an organization trying to make crappy players sound like all stars.

Yeah. It's in September for Hispanic Heritage Day.

I haven't checked the Royals site in awhile, so perhaps they've made a change, but I don't know how they could go ahead with this promotion if Pena is still hitting well below .200 and is riding the bench.

Pasta Little Brioni · 07-06-2008, 03:45 PM

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Originally Posted by DeezNutz

Yeah. It's in September for Hispanic Heritage Day.

I haven't checked the Royals site in awhile, so perhaps they've made a change, but I don't know how they could go ahead with this promotion if Pena is still hitting well below .200 and is riding the bench.

Well if things are going bad for the team in September I guess the fans can throw those POS things onto the field in protest of such a travesty. If they go through with it.

KCUnited · 07-06-2008, 03:48 PM

That Pena bobblehead will be a cult collectors item, probably be a sellout.

Valiant · 07-06-2008, 06:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Sure-Oz

I'm really glad we drafted hochaver over Lincecum and Longoria....

Sometimes it easier to shine when you are surrounded by all good to really good ballplayers..

Kind of hard imo to shine when you come in and are already one of the better players on the team.. How are our players going to get better when they have no one to look up to on the team?? Hopefully Guillen can rub some more desire off on his teammates..

**KcMizzou** · 07-06-2008, 07:00 PM

It really bugged me when he stood like a statue and let Gathright run a mile and a half into left, to field a ball that should have been his.

If you're gonna run your mouth, you'd damned well better bust your ass while you're at it.

L.A. Chieffan · 07-06-2008, 07:01 PM

I got one word for you.

Be careful.

tk13 · 07-06-2008, 07:46 PM

I've actually made the Pena to Ozzie Smith comparisons before. I don't think he's freaking Ozzie Smith, he's not. But part of that is people shouldn't make comparisons to great players. But Pena has ridiculous range out there... absolutely ridiculous, which is why he's not totally worthless. He gets to balls that a lot of shortstops could not get to, which does save hits, runs, etc... it's not everything but it's something positive. People just shut their brains off because it sounds outlandish, but if you were making an honest evaluation, you would watch Tony Pena and say wow, he has range comparable to Ozzie Smith, just on that point alone. I didn't say it out loud, but that's what I thought the first time I saw the guy play in person. "Wow, that guy has range." He still makes some dumb errors to offset that, but that's typical of a young player on the left side of the infield. If Aviles can hit like he has so far, then it's probably moot... but Pena's become such a whipping post that people don't even acknowledge how ridiculous he could be defensively with some seasoning. And I say that as someone who thinks shortstop is the one position on the field where you can give up a little offense for defense. But if you actually watch the guy play, he can stand in the normal SS position, and cover everything from the 2nd base side of the bag to deep in the hole in short left.

If Aviles plays well, then you give up that defense to gain the offense. But this is a bad offensive team and you just can't have someone who hits like that out there.

Sure-Oz · 07-06-2008, 07:51 PM

You can't have a great defensive SS bat .150....the guy needs to be an average hitter at best, .250 that would get everyone off his ass. He is an auto out right now and has zero plate discipline, he couldn't draw a walk atleast.

tk13 · 07-06-2008, 07:56 PM

I'm not ready to ship Guillen out either, but it concerns me a little. The winning rant stuff is okay but this last incident wasn't that, for sure. Bob McClure is definitely not the reason this team has struggled.

tk13 · 07-06-2008, 08:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Sure-Oz

You can't have a great defensive SS bat .150....the guy needs to be an average hitter at best, .250 that would get everyone off his ass. He is an auto out right now and has zero plate discipline, he couldn't draw a walk atleast.

No, his numbers now just won't cut it. And maybe he'll never turn it around. But he is just a 2nd year player.

Sure-Oz · 07-06-2008, 08:09 PM

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Originally Posted by tk13

No, his numbers now just won't cut it. And maybe he'll never turn it around. But he is just a 2nd year player.

I wouldn't mind him learning how to hit, he wasn't bad last year. I just think the league knows what to do, but ill give him this, he has as much power as ross gload.

Coach · 07-06-2008, 08:10 PM

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Originally Posted by tk13

I've actually made the Pena to Ozzie Smith comparisons before. I don't think he's freaking Ozzie Smith, he's not. But part of that is people shouldn't make comparisons to great players. But Pena has ridiculous range out there... absolutely ridiculous, which is why he's not totally worthless. He gets to balls that a lot of shortstops could not get to, which does save hits, runs, etc... it's not everything but it's something positive. People just shut their brains off because it sounds outlandish, but if you were making an honest evaluation, you would watch Tony Pena and say wow, he has range comparable to Ozzie Smith, just on that point alone. I didn't say it out loud, but that's what I thought the first time I saw the guy play in person. "Wow, that guy has range." He still makes some dumb errors to offset that, but that's typical of a young player on the left side of the infield. If Aviles can hit like he has so far, then it's probably moot... but Pena's become such a whipping post that people don't even acknowledge how ridiculous he could be defensively with some seasoning. And I say that as someone who thinks shortstop is the one position on the field where you can give up a little offense for defense. But if you actually watch the guy play, he can stand in the normal SS position, and cover everything from the 2nd base side of the bag to deep in the hole in short left.

If Aviles plays well, then you give up that defense to gain the offense. But this is a bad offensive team and you just can't have someone who hits like that out there.

Pena isn't even nowhere in Ozzie's class. The best solution for Pena? Cut him. It's just that simple.

Why the Royals won't do it, is baffling to me.

Coach · 07-06-2008, 08:12 PM

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Originally Posted by tk13

No, his numbers now just won't cut it. And maybe he'll never turn it around. But he is just a 2nd year player.

Yeah, a 2nd year player posting .159/.181/.210

That's awesome.

Sure-Oz · 07-06-2008, 08:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Coach

Yeah, a 2nd year player posting .159/.181/.210

That's awesome.

I've never seen a worse hitter....joey gathright is really bad and he is batting .240's

07-06-2008, 06:17 AM
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07-06-2008, 07:46 PM	#68
tk13 ... Join Date: Nov 2001 Casino cash: $1842500	I've actually made the Pena to Ozzie Smith comparisons before. I don't think he's freaking Ozzie Smith, he's not. But part of that is people shouldn't make comparisons to great players. But Pena has ridiculous range out there... absolutely ridiculous, which is why he's not totally worthless. He gets to balls that a lot of shortstops could not get to, which does save hits, runs, etc... it's not everything but it's something positive. People just shut their brains off because it sounds outlandish, but if you were making an honest evaluation, you would watch Tony Pena and say wow, he has range comparable to Ozzie Smith, just on that point alone. I didn't say it out loud, but that's what I thought the first time I saw the guy play in person. "Wow, that guy has range." He still makes some dumb errors to offset that, but that's typical of a young player on the left side of the infield. If Aviles can hit like he has so far, then it's probably moot... but Pena's become such a whipping post that people don't even acknowledge how ridiculous he could be defensively with some seasoning. And I say that as someone who thinks shortstop is the one position on the field where you can give up a little offense for defense. But if you actually watch the guy play, he can stand in the normal SS position, and cover everything from the 2nd base side of the bag to deep in the hole in short left. If Aviles plays well, then you give up that defense to gain the offense. But this is a bad offensive team and you just can't have someone who hits like that out there.
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07-06-2008, 07:56 PM	#70
tk13 ... Join Date: Nov 2001 Casino cash: $1842500	I'm not ready to ship Guillen out either, but it concerns me a little. The winning rant stuff is okay but this last incident wasn't that, for sure. Bob McClure is definitely not the reason this team has struggled.
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