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Old 04-23-2007, 08:40 AM  
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http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?p...d=afOlUzd30YOo

Pretty alarmist, IMO, but possible.

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Old 12-09-2014, 11:38 AM   #4606
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2008/2009 Economy went to shit. Massive layoffs.
The dive was a liquidity shortage. The recession wasn't because of the oil price.

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True, but this is a very different scenario being played out. Our massive production increase is the major reason crude is falling now, not a global recession. I don't see it going anywhere near what happened in late 2008, when crude got to what, $40?, but who knows. I still think that OPEC is not cutting their production to kill new shale E&P. They are thinking years out, not now.
That's what I've read.
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Old 12-09-2014, 12:03 PM   #4607
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That doesn't make much sense. If OPEC increases production, yes, crude will drop even more. To the point where new Gulf E&P and shale production stops. If they then lower production and raise prices, those two will start back up.

Now, if they increase production and leave it there...
I still think that they are trying to slow down our production. New oil leases are down 40%.
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Old 12-09-2014, 05:34 PM   #4608
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Wow. Of course, it's a government prediction, but...

The Energy Department again slashed its prediction for next year's average price of gasoline across the U.S., this time to $2.60 a gallon. That would be 23 percent below this year's projected average and the lowest full-year average since 2009.

If that comes to pass, the price drop will save U.S. drivers $100 billion over the course of the year based on current consumption levels. That will boost the overall economy by reducing shipping and transportation costs, and leaving consumers more money to spend on other things.

In its most recent short-term energy outlook, released Tuesday, the Energy Department's Energy Information Administration cut its gasoline price forecast for 2015 by 35 cents a gallon. It was the second time in two months that the EIA cut the forecast by more than 30 cents a gallon.

The average national price of gasoline to $2.66 a gallon on Tuesday according to AAA, 61 cents less than last year at this time. The national average has fallen every day since September 26.

The steep drop in gasoline prices is a result of a drop in crude oil supplies. Global crude prices have fallen to around $66 per barrel from a June high of $115 per barrel. Global supplies are high thanks in part to rising production in the U.S., while global demand is relatively weak because of slowing economic growth in Europe and Asia.

The lower crude prices are forcing oil companies to scale back drilling plans for next year. As a result, the EIA trimmed its forecast for U.S. production growth. U.S. crude oil output is expected to rise by 300,000 barrels per day to 9.3 million barrels a day. The EIA had previously expected production to rise by 400,000 barrels per day.

Despite a colder than normal November, the EIA expects home heating costs to fall this winter compared to last year. Weather forecasters do not expect a repeat of last year's consistently low temperatures, and prices for propane and heating oil are much lower than last year.
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Old 12-10-2014, 01:35 AM   #4609
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Thanks to a buck off with Kroger fuel points, I filled up for 1.33 per gallon today. My son was in shock when he saw the per gallon price. Filled up three cars on that one trip.
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Old 12-10-2014, 01:45 AM   #4610
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Thanks to a buck off with Kroger fuel points, I filled up for 1.33 per gallon today. My son was in shock when he saw the per gallon price. Filled up three cars on that one trip.
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Old 12-10-2014, 01:49 AM   #4611
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When we got to 10 gallons and hadn't hit 20 bucks yet I had to do a doubletake.
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When we got to 10 gallons and hadn't hit 20 bucks yet I had to do a doubletake.
That's awesome. I was stoked at $2.67 last week. A buck less would be insane.
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Old 12-10-2014, 02:48 AM   #4613
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2008/2009 Economy went to shit. Massive layoffs.
2008 was a liquidity crisis/financial deleveraging.

The only time in my lifetime that oil really devalued was in 1986 under Reagan. I forget how Reagan broke OPEC, but in 1986, we actually experienced DEFLATION because of the plunge in oil prices. The net result was massive growth in the US economy in 1987 and 1988. Cheap energy led to a huge US economic expansion.

It was a WONDERFUL thing for our economy. Unless you lived in Texas. Texas went into a strong economic depression due to the oil price collapse. For the rest of America, it was a huge economic boon to have cheap energy and reduced costs.

I also think it is no coincidence that the collapse of oil prices assisted the rise of the family SUV as a staple. Before that, it was too expensive to fill the tank. Now people are hooked on their SUVs and willing to spend $120 a tank at $4.00/gallon, but they would never have stood for that in 1982.



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Faced with declining world oil demand and increasing non-OPEC production, OPEC cut output significantly in the first half of the 1980s to defend its official price. Saudi Arabia, which played the role of swing producer in the cartel, bore most of the production cuts. Saudi Arabia crude oil product, which peaked at over 10 million barrels per day for the period October 1980 through August 1981, fell to just 2.3 million barrels per day by August 1985. In late 1985, Saudi Arabia abandoned its swing-producer role, increased production, and aggressively moved to increase market share. Saudi Arabia tried a netback-pricing concept, which tied crude oil prices to the value of refined petroleum products. This reversed traditional economic relationships by guaranteeing specific margins to refiners, thereby transferring risk from the crude oil purchaser to the producer.

In response, other OPEC members also increased production and offered netback-pricing arrangements to maintain market share and to offset declining revenues. These actions resulted in a glut of crude oil in world markets, and crude oil prices fell sharply in early 1986.

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By July 1986, the average per-barrel free on board (F.O.B) price for OPEC crude oil had dropped from $23.29 in December 1985 to $9.85, and prices for crude oil from non-OPEC countries were following a similar path.

The collapse of crude oil prices in 1986 reversed the upward trend in U.S. production of the first half of the decade. Many high-cost wells, which became productive after the oil crisis of 1978-1980, became unprofitable in 1986 and were shut in. Domestic crude oil production began dropping in early 1986. After the world price fell more than 50 percent between January and March 1986, drilling plummeted. Since then, domestic drilling and production have gradually declined.

The net effect of the decline in domestic production beginning in 1986 was an increase in crude oil imports, which climbed from 3.2 million barrels per day in 1985 to 9.1 million barrels per day in 2000. Most of this increase was met by OPEC, whose share of total U.S. crude oil imports rose from 41 percent in 1985 to 60 percent in 1990, before dropping to 46 percent in 1995-1997. Since 1998, the share has gradually increased, reaching 51 percent in 2000.

Oil company investments began shifting to foreign oil exploration and production after the 1986 price drop.(28) Foreign fields are generally much larger than in the United States and average production costs are lower. Changes in policy in the former Soviet Union since 1991 have increased U.S. production investment there, (29) and recent moves toward foreign investments in Mexico have attracted American exploration and production companies. (30)

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The sharp drop in crude oil prices pushed U.S. petroleum demand steadily higher in the second half of the decade. From 1985 to 2000, demand climbed from 15.7 million barrels per day to 19.5 million barrels per day.

Until 1986, the value of U.S. petroleum imports comprised between 15 percent and 32 percent of all imported goods. The steep decline in petroleum prices in 1986 reduced petroleum's portion of the U.S. trade deficit.

The economy expanded at a faster pace in 1987 and 1988. Low petroleum prices stimulated growth in industrial production, employment increased,(31) and travel picked up. Temporary conservation measures that had been instituted during earlier oil price escalations were discontinued. The overall energy intensity of the economy (measured by the ratio of total energy consumption to the constant dollar level of the Gross Domestic Product), a reflection of energy conservation,(32) did not increase between 1986 and 1988.
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Old 12-10-2014, 10:02 AM   #4617
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I'm starting to think that we could be on the way to $50.00 crude. Now at $62.12.
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Old 12-10-2014, 12:37 PM   #4620
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So how do I make money on knowing oil is going to spike back up to $90+/barrel in the next year or so?
It will not.......save your money. This is not a short term trend.

You could buy oil drilling or refinery stocks or an oil MLP. If you really want to lose all your money buy or trade CALL options on Oil Futures. Unless you have a net worth of $1,000,000 and tons of experience, you better not play the futures because you can lose a lot MORE than just your original investment!
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