Chiefs IF we sign Lilja, what does that mean?

dallaschiefsfan · 03-15-2010, 09:48 AM

He's been a left guard for the Colts...so...does that mean:

A. He would be a line-depth add
B. He would get the first shot at RG
C. He provides an opening to trade Waters

His 2008 injury and sudden release by the Colts makes me think depth. Not being a line expert, I have no idea as to whether he would even be a good fit at RG...but if he can easily make the switch, that option make sense to me. The conspiracy theorist in me says "C" because 1.) I'm guessing Pioli/Haley never fogot the incident last off-season and 2.) Pioli might want to collect draft picks.

Regardless, if he gets a contract offer, I'm guessing we'll know their plans pretty soon.

ModSocks · 03-15-2010, 09:52 AM

Not C, that's for sure. Waters probably wouldn't even yield a 7th rnd pick, dude.

DMAC · 03-15-2010, 09:52 AM

If he gets a contract offer, I'm guessing we'll know their plans pretty soon.

edit: Oh, you already said that. Ok...thread over.

**Mr. Flopnuts** · 03-15-2010, 09:54 AM

When your team is as devoid of talent as the Chiefs, you have to be willing to look under every stone.

My only concern is the guy starts, struggles, then continues to start anyway ala Goff. As long as that doesn't happen, there is nothing bad that could come out of this. Well, provided we don't give the guy 10 milly guaranteed or some dumb shit like that.

Sweet Daddy Hate · 03-15-2010, 01:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Mr. Flopnuts

When your team is as devoid of talent as the Chiefs, you have to be willing to look under every stone.

My only concern is the guy starts, struggles, then continues to start anyway ala Goff. As long as that doesn't happen, there is nothing bad that could come out of this. Well, provided we don't give the guy 10 milly guaranteed or some dumb shit like that.

You're looking at this from the wrong angle, Flop. If evry one of these FA linemen dumpster-dives suck, it means more "Spanish" Cassel Magic; the kind we've come to know and love oh so much.

And if that happens again, that will ultimately lead to, well, you know where I'm going with this...

Tom_A_Hawk · 03-15-2010, 09:55 AM

It means we are spending money on aging players that are almost stop gap.
Colts didn't off him because of pay.

dallaschiefsfan · 03-15-2010, 09:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Tom_A_Hawk

It means we are spending money on aging players that are almost stop gap.
Colts didn't off him because of pay.

He's 28. Hardly aging. Plus he was due a bonus...a little over 1 million...which wasn't much, but it's not like it didn't play into their decision if they thought they had another option. It's all context.

Archie Bunker · 03-15-2010, 10:07 AM

I think it means they are going defense heavy in the draft and trying to patch some depth together on the o-line.

dallaschiefsfan · 03-15-2010, 10:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Archie Bunker

I think it means they are going defense heavy in the draft and trying to patch some depth together on the o-line.

I'm inclined towards this view...but unsure as to whether Lilja would be excited about a depth role...regardless of whether it meant playing for the home town team or not. Is he even getting any other feelers?

Molitoth · 03-15-2010, 10:14 AM

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IF we sign Lilja, what does that mean?

To the ship!

JD10367 · 03-15-2010, 10:16 AM

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Originally Posted by dallaschiefsfan

I'm inclined towards this view...but unsure as to whether Lilja would be excited about a depth role...

Maybe he has no choice. If that injury rumor is true, perhaps the Chiefs swooped in with one of those, "Hey, here's a 1-year deal so you can prove yourself to the NFL" offers.

Any time you can get veteran (i.e. formerly-starting) guys to get on board for decent contracts and be backups/stopgaps, it's good. So many times those guys end up playing more than you anticipated and then you're glad you had 'em around.

mcaj22 · 03-15-2010, 10:14 AM

Ryan Lilja is 28 years old. Mike Goff was like 48 years old when he signed onto this team last year. I'd like to think there is a little difference in that in determining how much Lilja has left. I think he could play another 4/5 years at the level he was playing at.

Of course this not considering if he actually did fail a Colts physical and there is something wrong with him, which our luck... there will be and he will fizzle out.

RedThat · 03-15-2010, 10:19 AM

Im looking at it as more competition in camp. Didn't sit well with me when I heard he failed a physical, but on the other hand, I value the experience he has. He was a 5 year starter with the Colts, and gave them solid play.

So if this move works out for the best, he gives us an added veteran on the offensive line. If it doesn't work out, and suppose a guy like Colin Brown surprises or lets say Rudy Niswanger wins the job at RG, then he gives you added depth, which to me is equally as important as adding another starter to your team.

Bottomline, the signing means he improves your overall 53 man roster.

Mr. Laz · 03-15-2010, 11:23 AM

I still think they might give Waters another shot at center.

wait ... and before people start bitching about Waters having problems with the center exchange back in the day. IIRC he only had a QB/C fumble exchange 2/3 times and he was just getting started. We had other options so we didn't give it a full chance.

Also the idea that Center is more physically demanding is bullshit. Center is more mentally demanding and that is where Water's experience comes in to play. Waters would be good at identifying the blitz and shifting the blocking assignment and line calls.

Center needs leverage and power more than speed unless you pull your center.

it would all depend on whether Waters would want to try it or not.

LT - albert
LG - Lilja
C - Waters
RG - Colin Brown/Draftee
RT - O'callaghan/Draftee

RustShack · 03-15-2010, 12:21 PM

He would have to play LG and we would have to move Waters to RG.

03-15-2010, 09:48 AM	Topic Starter
dallaschiefsfan Herm is the worst...horrible Join Date: Sep 2000 Casino cash: $4428850	IF we sign Lilja, what does that mean? He's been a left guard for the Colts...so...does that mean: A. He would be a line-depth add B. He would get the first shot at RG C. He provides an opening to trade Waters His 2008 injury and sudden release by the Colts makes me think depth. Not being a line expert, I have no idea as to whether he would even be a good fit at RG...but if he can easily make the switch, that option make sense to me. The conspiracy theorist in me says "C" because 1.) I'm guessing Pioli/Haley never fogot the incident last off-season and 2.) Pioli might want to collect draft picks. Regardless, if he gets a contract offer, I'm guessing we'll know their plans pretty soon.
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03-15-2010, 09:52 AM	#2
ModSocks Needs more middle fingers Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: San Diego Casino cash: $4284563	Not C, that's for sure. Waters probably wouldn't even yield a 7th rnd pick, dude. __________________ Life is like a dick. Sometimes it gets hard for no reason, but it can't stay hard forever.
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DMAC MVP Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Springfield, MO Casino cash: $10008735	If he gets a contract offer, I'm guessing we'll know their plans pretty soon. edit: Oh, you already said that. Ok...thread over.
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Tom_A_Hawk Starter Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: St. Louis Casino cash: $10005010	It means we are spending money on aging players that are almost stop gap. Colts didn't off him because of pay.
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03-15-2010, 10:14 AM	#12
mcaj22 MVP Join Date: Feb 2010 Casino cash: $10014454	Ryan Lilja is 28 years old. Mike Goff was like 48 years old when he signed onto this team last year. I'd like to think there is a little difference in that in determining how much Lilja has left. I think he could play another 4/5 years at the level he was playing at. Of course this not considering if he actually did fail a Colts physical and there is something wrong with him, which our luck... there will be and he will fizzle out.
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03-15-2010, 10:19 AM	#13
RedThat Banned Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Earth Casino cash: $10004900	Im looking at it as more competition in camp. Didn't sit well with me when I heard he failed a physical, but on the other hand, I value the experience he has. He was a 5 year starter with the Colts, and gave them solid play. So if this move works out for the best, he gives us an added veteran on the offensive line. If it doesn't work out, and suppose a guy like Colin Brown surprises or lets say Rudy Niswanger wins the job at RG, then he gives you added depth, which to me is equally as important as adding another starter to your team. Bottomline, the signing means he improves your overall 53 man roster.
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03-15-2010, 11:23 AM	#14
Mr. Laz Don't Tease Me Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: KS Casino cash: $11047037	I still think they might give Waters another shot at center. wait ... and before people start bitching about Waters having problems with the center exchange back in the day. IIRC he only had a QB/C fumble exchange 2/3 times and he was just getting started. We had other options so we didn't give it a full chance. Also the idea that Center is more physically demanding is bullshit. Center is more mentally demanding and that is where Water's experience comes in to play. Waters would be good at identifying the blitz and shifting the blocking assignment and line calls. Center needs leverage and power more than speed unless you pull your center. it would all depend on whether Waters would want to try it or not. LT - albert LG - Lilja C - Waters RG - Colin Brown/Draftee RT - O'callaghan/Draftee __________________
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RustShack **** That Noise Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Jack Trice Casino cash: $4706954	He would have to play LG and we would have to move Waters to RG. __________________
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