Third Round CBs: who's your pick?

**Mr. Kotter** · 04-19-2005, 08:05 AM

Who do you like?

If the Surtain deal comes through (a big 'if,' I know), then I'd say we still need another CB. But with bigger needs at OLB, DE, and WR....we are likely to use the 1st and 2nd round picks on those positions.

We have the 99th and 102nd picks (late 3rd, early 4th). I'm convinced one of them will be a CB....the following is a list of what should likely be the 3rd and 4th round CBs.

Who do you like?

Antonio Perkins CB 5'10" 190 OKLAHOMA 81 D Expert's Take
Stanley Wilson CB 5'11" 185 STANFORD 79 Expert's Take
Domonique Foxworth CB 5'11" 184 MARYLAND 78 Expert's Take
Darrent Williams CB 5'8" 176 OKLAHOMA STATE 75 BCD Expert's Take
Scott Starks CB 5'8" 172 WISCONSIN 71 B Expert's Take
Ronald Bartell Jr CB 6'1" 211 HOWARD 69 Expert's Take
Nick Collins CB 5'11" 206 BETHUNE-COOKMAN 64 M Expert's Take
Ellis Hobbs CB 5'9" 192 IOWA STATE 61 B Expert's Take
Kelvin Hayden CB 5'10" 197 ILLINOIS 58 MY Expert's Take
Alphonso Hodge CB 5'10" 203 MIAMI (OHIO) 55 Expert's Take
Karl Paymah CB 6'0" 204 WASHINGTON STATE 54 S Expert's Take

If you want a profile on one, let me know....I'll post it.

ct · 04-19-2005, 08:11 AM

So we still have our 1st and 2nd and 3rd(not tradeable) and 4th. What did we give up for Surtain again?

But to answer your question, at that level Wilson or Collins.

eazyb81 · 04-19-2005, 08:14 AM

I like Foxworth, I think he has a good upside and has the physical tools to be a successful CB in the pros.

You don't have Dustin Fox of Ohio State on your list, but I think he would be a good choice as well.

ct · 04-19-2005, 08:15 AM

I'm crossing my fingers that OLB Jordan Beck is on the board at 99.

Chiefnj · 04-19-2005, 08:15 AM

In the 7th round they can take a kid named Mark Walker from TCU.

**Mr. Kotter** · 04-19-2005, 09:13 AM

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Originally Posted by coryt

So we still have our 1st and 2nd and 3rd(not tradeable) and 4th. What did we give up for Surtain again?

This year's 5th, and next year's second.....--if they are gonna insist on a 2nd.

**Mr. Kotter** · 04-19-2005, 09:13 AM

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Originally Posted by coryt

I'm crossing my fingers that OLB Jordan Beck is on the board at 99.

Beck at 99, and Foxworth or Wilson at 102 would be sweet.

SCTrojan · 04-19-2005, 09:14 AM

If Perkins from OU is around, I think he'd be a good value. Didn't pay much attention to him, but he seemed to make a lot of plays when he was healthy. He can't be any worse than what we have currently available.

bricks · 04-19-2005, 10:02 AM

First off, we don't have a late 3rd, the compensatory pick rewarded to us by the league is considered an early 4th rounder...Technically speaking, we have to 4th round picks. Now, with that being said, I like Foxworth sounds like he would be available, definately Jordan Beck with the 2nd 4th.

**Mr. Kotter** · 04-19-2005, 10:58 AM

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Originally Posted by bricks

First off, we don't have a late 3rd, the compensatory pick rewarded to us by the league is considered an early 4th rounder...Technically speaking, we have to 4th round picks. Now, with that being said, I like Foxworth sounds like he would be available, definately Jordan Beck with the 2nd 4th.

The mocks I've seen list it as "at the end of 3rd" not the "beginning of the 4th"...my understanding is it's done on SATURDAY. The fourth begins on SUNDAY.

Whatever, though....the difference isn't important.

**Mr. Kotter** · 04-19-2005, 11:03 AM

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Originally Posted by eazyb81

I like Foxworth, I think he has a good upside and has the physical tools to be a successful CB in the pros.

You don't have Dustin Fox of Ohio State on your list, but I think he would be a good choice as well.

Yeah, Fox would be a good pick if he's still there.

Dustin Fox
DS | (5'10", 190, 4.5) | OHIO STATE

Scouts Grade: 69

Flags: (B: BULK/SIZE) Lacks size/bulk for position(D: DURABILITY) Player that can't stay healthy
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Strengths: Is a versatile athlete with experience at DC and DS. Is a very good athlete with above average speed at the safety position. Has good range in coverage and it should only improve with more experience in space. He is an aggressive and tough DB that will fill hard versus the run. Has developed into a very good open-field tackler. Will break down and wrap-up in space. His instincts are very good and he has developed into a playmaker when the ball is in the air. Is aggressive and confident in coverage. Also does a good job of pressing receivers and smothering them at the LOS. Will be very good at the DS position in terms of a guy that can matchup versus slot receivers.

Weaknesses: Lacks ideal fluidness in his hips and top-end speed at the cornerback position. Likely will need to move to safety, where he has some but not great playing experience. He will need to add some bulk and get stronger. He has marginal upper body strength (7 reps of 225-pound bench press). He lacks the size and lower body strength to consistently hold up in-the-box. Needs to improve his hands when getting through traffic and must learn to take on blocks rather than running around them and getting out of position. Needs to adjust to playing in more space. Recognition skills must improve. Durability is a bit of a concern after broken arm in 2004.

Overall: Fox started two of the 12 games he played in as a true freshman in 2001 and saw action both at safety and cornerback. Fox has been a fulltime starting cornerback since his sophomore season in 2002. He started all 13 games as a junior in 2003 and finished with 77 total tackles, three TFL, three INT's and nine PBU. Fox suffered a broken arm in the first quarter of his season-opener (Marshall) and wound up missing nearly four full games as a result of the injury. He returned for the final eight games of the season and finished with 28 total tackles and three passes broken up. Fox has a chance to make it in the NFL as a cornerback but it likely would have to be in a zone-coverage scheme, where he would be protected deep. In our opinion, he's better suited to play safety in the NFL. He will need more time to develop with limited experience at the collegiate level and he also will need to add some bulk. However, he has good speed, man-to-man cover skills and the potential for very good range if his recognition skills improve. Regardless of the position move or not, Fox should be a late-Day 1 or early Day 2 draft pick that can contribute immediately on special teams and likely as a sub-package defensive back for the first season or two in the NFL while he is finding his niche.

**Bowser** · 04-19-2005, 11:28 AM

If I had my pick, I'd take Bartell.

I wouldn't be opposed to us taking Stephan LeFors with one of those picks, either.

Chiefnj · 04-19-2005, 11:32 AM

There seems to be a big gap between the 1st and 2nd tier corners and the 3rd tier guys.

I'd imagine that there will be much better quality LB's, OL and receivers in the 3rd and 4th than corners.

Braincase · 04-19-2005, 12:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Bowser

If I had my pick, I'd take Bartell.

I wouldn't be opposed to us taking Stephan LeFors with one of those picks, either.

NOWAY! That's like one letter away from BARTEE!

ct · 04-19-2005, 12:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Mr. Kotter

Yeah, Fox would be a good pick if he's still there.

Dustin Fox
DS | (5'10", 190, 4.5) | OHIO STATE

Scouts Grade: 69

Flags: (B: BULK/SIZE) Lacks size/bulk for position(D: DURABILITY) Player that can't stay healthy
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uh...yeah, this guy sounds great!

04-19-2005, 08:05 AM
Mr. Kotter The Dude Abides Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Dakota Country Casino cash: $5885285	Third Round CBs: who's your pick? Who do you like? If the Surtain deal comes through (a big 'if,' I know), then I'd say we still need another CB. But with bigger needs at OLB, DE, and WR....we are likely to use the 1st and 2nd round picks on those positions. We have the 99th and 102nd picks (late 3rd, early 4th). I'm convinced one of them will be a CB....the following is a list of what should likely be the 3rd and 4th round CBs. Who do you like? Antonio Perkins CB 5'10" 190 OKLAHOMA 81 D Expert's Take Stanley Wilson CB 5'11" 185 STANFORD 79 Expert's Take Domonique Foxworth CB 5'11" 184 MARYLAND 78 Expert's Take Darrent Williams CB 5'8" 176 OKLAHOMA STATE 75 BCD Expert's Take Scott Starks CB 5'8" 172 WISCONSIN 71 B Expert's Take Ronald Bartell Jr CB 6'1" 211 HOWARD 69 Expert's Take Nick Collins CB 5'11" 206 BETHUNE-COOKMAN 64 M Expert's Take Ellis Hobbs CB 5'9" 192 IOWA STATE 61 B Expert's Take Kelvin Hayden CB 5'10" 197 ILLINOIS 58 MY Expert's Take Alphonso Hodge CB 5'10" 203 MIAMI (OHIO) 55 Expert's Take Karl Paymah CB 6'0" 204 WASHINGTON STATE 54 S Expert's Take If you want a profile on one, let me know....I'll post it.
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04-19-2005, 08:11 AM	#2
ct u b illian Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: DooDah Casino cash: $10009436	So we still have our 1st and 2nd and 3rd(not tradeable) and 4th. What did we give up for Surtain again? But to answer your question, at that level Wilson or Collins.
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04-19-2005, 08:14 AM	#3
eazyb81 The Illuminati Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: the road less traveled Casino cash: $10004900	I like Foxworth, I think he has a good upside and has the physical tools to be a successful CB in the pros. You don't have Dustin Fox of Ohio State on your list, but I think he would be a good choice as well.
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04-19-2005, 08:15 AM	#4
ct u b illian Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: DooDah Casino cash: $10009436	I'm crossing my fingers that OLB Jordan Beck is on the board at 99.
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04-19-2005, 08:15 AM	#5
Chiefnj MVP Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Willis, Harris and Davis. Casino cash: $10004900	In the 7th round they can take a kid named Mark Walker from TCU. __________________ "I always tell (the assistant coaches), 'Make it simple, 'cause I'm stupid,'" Edwards said. "This ain't computer football." Herm Edwards, 3-20-07 Q: Herm, back on December 25th you were asked if Trent Green was your starter going into next season and you said, ‘yeah, why wouldn’t he be?’ Have you changed your mind on that? EDWARDS: No, I have not.” (1-11-07)
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04-19-2005, 09:14 AM	#8
SCTrojan Veteran Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Across the park Casino cash: $6209719	If Perkins from OU is around, I think he'd be a good value. Didn't pay much attention to him, but he seemed to make a lot of plays when he was healthy. He can't be any worse than what we have currently available.
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04-19-2005, 10:02 AM	#9
bricks Hey Teacher! Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: land of maple syrup Casino cash: $9902559	First off, we don't have a late 3rd, the compensatory pick rewarded to us by the league is considered an early 4th rounder...Technically speaking, we have to 4th round picks. Now, with that being said, I like Foxworth sounds like he would be available, definately Jordan Beck with the 2nd 4th.
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04-19-2005, 11:28 AM	#12
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04-19-2005, 11:32 AM	#13
Chiefnj MVP Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Willis, Harris and Davis. Casino cash: $10004900	There seems to be a big gap between the 1st and 2nd tier corners and the 3rd tier guys. I'd imagine that there will be much better quality LB's, OL and receivers in the 3rd and 4th than corners. __________________ "I always tell (the assistant coaches), 'Make it simple, 'cause I'm stupid,'" Edwards said. "This ain't computer football." Herm Edwards, 3-20-07 Q: Herm, back on December 25th you were asked if Trent Green was your starter going into next season and you said, ‘yeah, why wouldn’t he be?’ Have you changed your mind on that? EDWARDS: No, I have not.” (1-11-07)
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