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'Hamas' Jenkins · 01:02 PM

We have two things to look forward to this year:

1) The potential beginning of the Maty Mauk Era. Mauk represents the best chance for this program to get back to a level of respectability after horrendous QB play cost us multiple games last year.

2) The last year of the Gary Pinkel era. Pinkel's entrenched cronyism won't play in a conference this competitive, especially if he couples his abysmal gameday coaching with lackadaisical, worst-in-conference recruiting. Pinkel was the formerly adequate meal that has now turned into a four pound bowel obstruction. It's time to jam a Fleet's enema up our collective asses.

Here is the schedule. We dodge Alabama, LSU, and Arkansas in the west and the Non-con is decidedly weaker than years past.

8/31: Murray State
9/7: Toledo
9/21: @ Indiana
9/28: Arkansas State
10/5:@ Vanderbilt
10/12: @ Georgia
10/19:Florida
10/26: South Carolina
11/2:Tennessee
11/9: @ Kentucky
11/23: @ Ole Miss
11/30: aTm

Looks like 6-6. Undefeated in non-con, 2-6 in league play.

I will eventually update the OP with a list of high profile in-state recruits that decide to go elsewhere after a half-assed attempt to gain their services. The inevitable cavalcade of *** rejects, skeezers, skanks, and scalliwags we get will fill out the ranks.

Razors, cyanide capsules, and Jonestown Kool-Aid are available in the break room. Second door on the left.

Since every Mizzou thread eventually dies of AIDS, I recommend starting anti-retroviral therapy immediately. I believe Walgreens covers Express Scripts.

Premium In-State Players:

Roderick Johnson: **** OT, Florissant, MO.
Monte Harrison: **** WR, Lee's Summit, MO.
Jimmy Swain: **** LB, Lee's Summit, MO

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Pitt Gorilla · 11-26-2013, 07:40 PM

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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

Show me where I ever complained about the 2010 recruiting class or DGB.

This:

"I will eventually update the OP with a list of high profile in-state recruits that decide to go elsewhere after a half-assed attempt to gain their services. The inevitable cavalcade of *** rejects, skeezers, skanks, and scalliwags we get will fill out the ranks."

sounded a bit more general (e.g. "inevitable") than a single year or so.

**Rausch** · 11-26-2013, 07:44 PM

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Originally Posted by tredadda

It wouldn't matter. Missouri would still most likely be left out if they lost the SECCG.

And I think they will but at least that option would be out there.

'Hamas' Jenkins · 11-26-2013, 08:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Pitt Gorilla

This:

"I will eventually update the OP with a list of high profile in-state recruits that decide to go elsewhere after a half-assed attempt to gain their services. The inevitable cavalcade of *** rejects, skeezers, skanks, and scalliwags we get will fill out the ranks."

sounded a bit more general (e.g. "inevitable") than a single year or so.

Guess what: recruiting in this state has generally sucked.

Mosbonian · 11-26-2013, 08:12 PM

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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

But was Gabbert really prone to disasters? What would happen if you teamed Gabbert up with Christensen or Henson and the skill position players from three years later or sooner? Would you think as poorly of him if he had sat out the Tech game if we had a backup of Mauk's caliber to spell him?

Would you think he was as prone to disasters if Jerrell Jackson didn't let a perfectly thrown ball bounce of his bitchmade face and into the hands of an Iowa DB turning a TD into a pick?

I don't think any MU QB other than Gabbert wins that Oklahoma game. That's still the best team that any Pinkel team has ever beaten, but it gets lost in the shuffle because of how that season ended.

I have a question.....you seem to be heavily defending Gabbert. Is there a reason?

I think Gabbert should have stayed in school for his senior season to get the necessary coaching/experience that IMO would have given him the maturity to be an NFL QB.

I don't think he was as bad as some might infer, but for sure he moments that were WTH even as a collegiate QB.

-King- · 11-26-2013, 08:15 PM

Hama's where would you rank Gabbert out of the qbs in the Pinkel era?
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'Hamas' Jenkins · 11-26-2013, 08:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Mosbonian

I have a question.....you seem to be heavily defending Gabbert. Is there a reason?

I think Gabbert should have stayed in school for his senior season to get the necessary coaching/experience that IMO would have given him the maturity to be an NFL QB.

I don't think he was as bad as some might infer, but for sure he moments that were WTH even as a collegiate QB.

I think Gabbert is the most talented QB the university has ever had, and will likely have for the foreseeable future. He was a good kid saddled with a pretty mediocre team and he did really good things with it. His coaching from Yost was absolutely horrendous, so I can't really blame him for leaving.

Ultimately, I grow tired of people applying revisionism in their analysis. They see Gabbert as an abject disaster in the NFL, and so everything he did in college is discounted. To be honest, the kid screwed up in coming to Missouri. Harbaugh wanted him over Luck. If he goes to Stanford, he's probably on the cusp of being a really good NFL QB. His coaching sucked here, and no team has ever done more to ruin a QB than what Jacksonville did to him.

It's a really shitty ordeal, and yeah, the end of the Iowa game sucked, but take that one play out and I don't know if I've ever seen a more impressive physical display from a Missouri QB. But he wasn't Chase, so he was never truly appreciated.

'Hamas' Jenkins · 11-26-2013, 08:26 PM

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Originally Posted by -King-

Hama's where would you rank Gabbert out of the qbs in the Pinkel era?
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Let's assume two things:

1) Missouri plays Alabama in the SECCG next week
2) Every other player on the team is the same, save for QB, and every coach is the same as exists right now

You can drop any player into that spot: Smith, Daniel, Gabbert, or Franklin.

Almost universally, people will put 2007 Chase Daniel in that game. I'd choose Gabbert. I'm not saying his career was better. He didn't win as many games, and his stats weren't as pretty, but I think there are important mitigating factors that are discounted post haste because it's easy to look at the gaudy stats and conflate that w/ unsurpassed excellency.

**Saul Good** · 11-26-2013, 08:30 PM

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Do you remember the Warren Buffett photo?

I do now...

**Saul Good** · 11-26-2013, 08:39 PM

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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

Let's assume two things:

1) Missouri plays Alabama in the SECCG next week
2) Every other player on the team is the same, save for QB, and every coach is the same as exists right now

You can drop any player into that spot: Smith, Daniel, Gabbert, or Franklin.

Almost universally, people will put 2007 Chase Daniel in that game. I'd choose Gabbert. I'm not saying his career was better. He didn't win as many games, and his stats weren't as pretty, but I think there are important mitigating factors that are discounted post haste because it's easy to look at the gaudy stats and conflate that w/ unsurpassed excellency.

I understand where you're coming from here. Gabbert might give us a better chance to win. He also gives us a better chance to get crushed. That's the thing... Gabbert on his best day was better than Daniel on his best day...but Daniel on his average day was better than Gabbert on his average day...and Daniel on his worst day was light years ahead of Gabbert on his worst day.

That's why I can't even entertain the possibility that Gabbert would have strung together a perfect season. Not with this nor any other team. He is prone to terrible lows. That's his nature. It's who he is as a QB. He's gun-shy, and he lacks the competitive instinct of Daniel. When I think of Chase, I think of a guy who hates to lose...at football, beer pong, or booger eating contests. With Gabbert? As soon as the game is over, I think his mind is on going hunting or fishing.

DJ's left nut · 11-26-2013, 08:46 PM

Those are essentially my feelings as well.

When Gabbert was good, he was incredible. But way too many things had to go right for him to be good. He simply got jittery way too easily and suddenly abandoned his progressions in favor of forcing balls or just flat taking sacks.

I think Gabbert would get obliterated by Alabama. He just didn't have the head on his shoulders.

I think it's a Yost problem as much as anything, but the fact remains that he just didn't do many of the little 'quarterback' things correctly.

**DeezNutz** · 11-26-2013, 08:49 PM

His "bitchmade face"...

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Poetic juxtaposition.

Pepe Silvia · 11-26-2013, 11:18 PM

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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

Let's assume two things:

1) Missouri plays Alabama in the SECCG next week
2) Every other player on the team is the same, save for QB, and every coach is the same as exists right now

You can drop any player into that spot: Smith, Daniel, Gabbert, or Franklin.

Almost universally, people will put 2007 Chase Daniel in that game. I'd choose Gabbert. I'm not saying his career was better. He didn't win as many games, and his stats weren't as pretty, but I think there are important mitigating factors that are discounted post haste because it's easy to look at the gaudy stats and conflate that w/ unsurpassed excellency.

I would choose Daniel. Gabbert would be running away from phantom pressure all day long if he faced Bama, I know he would be better with the recievers we have now but I dunno, he was a pretty frustrating dude to watch at times.

**Saul Good** · 11-27-2013, 10:09 AM

Jhonny Williams has flipped to Notre Dame.

Mosbonian · 11-27-2013, 11:10 AM

Is anyone else getting tired of the way that MU is pretty much being disregarded in the Bowl picture? Almost every article treats MU as an afterthought....like we will have to settle for being Bowl pick #5 in the SEC chain, even after aTm even if we do beat them and say lose to Bama?

What would be sweet revenge and hard crow for all the prognosticators to swallow is if MU beats aTm and then wins the CCG.

It would be great to flip off all those who have written us off...

duncan_idaho · 11-27-2013, 11:17 AM

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Jhonny Williams has flipped to Notre Dame.

He's citing family concerns. Not sure what the deal is there... hadn't really been mentioned before, but it sounds like it might be a LD Washington situation... with the major difference of having a huge school that's close offering him a scholarship.

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Originally Posted by Mosbonian

Is anyone else getting tired of the way that MU is pretty much being disregarded in the Bowl picture? Almost every article treats MU as an afterthought....like we will have to settle for being Bowl pick #5 in the SEC chain, even after aTm even if we do beat them and say lose to Bama?

What would be sweet revenge and hard crow for all the prognosticators to swallow is if MU beats aTm and then wins the CCG.

It would be great to flip off all those who have written us off...

I think most bowl projections are still assuming a loss to Texas A&M, just like most were assuming a loss to Ole Miss last weekend.

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