Dante Hall, WR

jspchief · 09-12-2005, 07:39 AM

Was anyone else disappointed to see Hall in at WR so much?

I really hope that Vermeil will start to work Hall out of the WR rotation. Besides the injury risk (he seems to get hammered a lot on those short passing plays), and the way it appears to affect his effectiveness as a returner, I also think he's very limited on what types of routes he can be effective on. The only way he can be open on deep routes is to have his man beat by about 5+ yards.

Maybe he was out there because Vermeil wanted vet experience in there to get us off to a good start. I just hope that we can see Boe or Horn do enough to take that slot position over on a more regular basis.

**penguinz** · 09-12-2005, 07:41 AM

The midget should not be allowed near the field for any play other than kickoff or punt return.

jspchief · 09-12-2005, 07:42 AM

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Originally Posted by penguinz

The midget should not be allowed near the field for any play other than kickoff or punt return.

Heh. Cliff notes version of my post.

oldandslow · 09-12-2005, 07:45 AM

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Originally Posted by penguinz

The midget should not be allowed near the field for any play other than kickoff or punt return.

What he said.

Bootlegged · 09-12-2005, 07:48 AM

Hopefully we can sign Pathon or someone of that level that is floating on the waiver wire to be our 3rd or 4th.

Sam · 09-12-2005, 07:54 AM

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Originally Posted by jspchief

Was anyone else disappointed to see Hall in at WR so much?

I really hope that Vermeil will start to work Hall out of the WR rotation. Besides the injury risk (he seems to get hammered a lot on those short passing plays), and the way it appears to affect his effectiveness as a returner, I also think he's very limited on what types of routes he can be effective on. The only way he can be open on deep routes is to have his man beat by about 5+ yards.

Maybe he was out there because Vermeil wanted vet experience in there to get us off to a good start. I just hope that we can see Boe or Horn do enough to take that slot position over on a more regular basis.

Yeah, I didn't like seeing him on the field so much either. I don't think that I saw Parker on the field enough either.

**Skip Towne** · 09-12-2005, 07:56 AM

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Originally Posted by jspchief

Heh. Cliff notes version of my post.

I said the same thing during the game thread.

**ChiTown** · 09-12-2005, 08:02 AM

Agreed.

His value is in the return game. If he isn't effective there, then he really is of little value to the team. JMHO

Braincase · 09-12-2005, 08:06 AM

I think we sandbagged the passing game. Notice no WIlson & no Boerigter. I think we want to surprise the Raiders with those two.

Dr. Johnny Fever · 09-12-2005, 08:07 AM

I know they feel he can break something big at any given moment so they have all the temptation to give him the ball... but I too feel he's too valuable to risk losing on kick-offs and punts to keep using him on offense.

I REALLY hated the hand-off to him early in the game. I was just praying he didn't get smashed. He's just a little guy after all.

Dr. Johnny Fever · 09-12-2005, 08:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Braincase

I think we sandbagged the passing game. Notice no WIlson & no Boerigter. I think we want to surprise the Raiders with those two.

I think Kris Wilson is like a fart in the wind. You hear he's there but there's never any proof.

siberian khatru · 09-12-2005, 08:11 AM

There was a play in the 2nd half -- I think a 3rd down -- where Green threw a bit high to Dante, who leaped and got a hand on the ball but couldn't haul it in. I believe a taller receiver would've grabbed it.

That's the biggest problem I have with Dante at WR. He's too small to throw to downfield. I have concerns about it affecting his return game (and health) too, but if he were a true weapon at WR then I'd be more open to using him there more. But he's not a downfield guy. If you can get him in space, on a bubble screen or a quick slant that he can use his elusiveness to break, that's OK. But I've never understood why they send him on regular WR routes.

He should be a No. 5 WR and used as an occasional gimmick. I'd rather have 4 "true" WRs playing ahead of him -- and that includes a FredEx or Pathon.

Chiefnj · 09-12-2005, 08:18 AM

Were Boerigter and Wilson active for the game? I know Siavii wasn't.

jspchief · 09-12-2005, 08:21 AM

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Were Boerigter and Wilson active for the game? I know Siavii wasn't.

Boe was not. Wilson was, and was in on a few plays I'm pretty sure.

Kylo Ren · 09-12-2005, 08:22 AM

Where was Boerigter?

09-12-2005, 07:39 AM
jspchief BAMF Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Your Face Casino cash: $9998710	Dante Hall, WR Was anyone else disappointed to see Hall in at WR so much? I really hope that Vermeil will start to work Hall out of the WR rotation. Besides the injury risk (he seems to get hammered a lot on those short passing plays), and the way it appears to affect his effectiveness as a returner, I also think he's very limited on what types of routes he can be effective on. The only way he can be open on deep routes is to have his man beat by about 5+ yards. Maybe he was out there because Vermeil wanted vet experience in there to get us off to a good start. I just hope that we can see Boe or Horn do enough to take that slot position over on a more regular basis.
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Dr. Johnny Fever stax of wax Join Date: Feb 2004 Casino cash: $10004900	I know they feel he can break something big at any given moment so they have all the temptation to give him the ball... but I too feel he's too valuable to risk losing on kick-offs and punts to keep using him on offense. I REALLY hated the hand-off to him early in the game. I was just praying he didn't get smashed. He's just a little guy after all. __________________ courtesy of BoneKrusher "Baseball? It's just a game. As simple as a ball and bat, yet as complex as the American spirit it symbolizes. It's a sport, a business and sometimes a religion." Ernie Harwell
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siberian khatru 21st Century Schizoid Fan Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: The Gates of Delirium Casino cash: $2554950	There was a play in the 2nd half -- I think a 3rd down -- where Green threw a bit high to Dante, who leaped and got a hand on the ball but couldn't haul it in. I believe a taller receiver would've grabbed it. That's the biggest problem I have with Dante at WR. He's too small to throw to downfield. I have concerns about it affecting his return game (and health) too, but if he were a true weapon at WR then I'd be more open to using him there more. But he's not a downfield guy. If you can get him in space, on a bubble screen or a quick slant that he can use his elusiveness to break, that's OK. But I've never understood why they send him on regular WR routes. He should be a No. 5 WR and used as an occasional gimmick. I'd rather have 4 "true" WRs playing ahead of him -- and that includes a FredEx or Pathon.
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