Chiefs Getting rid of herm? Who we be left to tell the story?

13and3 · 01-14-2009, 07:17 PM

Maybe I am missing something here, but how can he possibly evaluate all 10 or 20+ coaches on this team, in under a week. And if he fires herm and his whole staff, who will be around to say what really went wrong.

First and foremost he needs to be able to evaluate the current talent level of the team, he already said in he press conference that in order to be effective in this area he needs to not only see game film, but also understand what the coaches were asking them to do, how can he ask someone who is not around?

In my job everyday (I am a electrician) I am presented with some new task, and before I just jump in, I always stand back observe my surroundings; what are my hindrances, what can I use to my advantage, hell, what is the weather like. I take my time, make a good informed decision, and work efficiently a productively, that way I only bend pipe or run a wire once. And in the end the job is done well and in a respectable amount of time.

In the end you can’t be as thorough and calculated as he claims to be and not see this thing form every angle, before he takes action. It flies in the face of everything he and the patriots stood for. The old adage is correct measure twice and cut once

**Dave Lane** · 01-14-2009, 07:23 PM

He has already been thinking this out for years. The plan is already there.

13and3 · 01-14-2009, 07:26 PM

you cant plan for the unknown

**OnTheWarpath15** · 01-14-2009, 07:26 PM

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Originally Posted by 13and3

First and foremost he needs to be able to evaluate the current talent level of the team, he already said in he press conference that in order to be effective in this area he needs to not only see game film, but also understand what the coaches were asking them to do, how can he ask someone who is not around?

Video of every snap is logged into a computer system that will spit out anything you want.

Every play we ran on 3rd and 5.

Every play when we played man-to-man defense. Cover 2. MIKE blitz.

Every possible situation is catalogued and available to anyone with access to the system.

He doesn't need anyone to sit and watch film with him.

13and3 · 01-14-2009, 07:29 PM

He is going to see all that in 6,897 plays, find out how the coaches were asking them to excute it, and make a sound decison in under a week right?

**OnTheWarpath15** · 01-14-2009, 07:30 PM

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Originally Posted by 13and3

He is going to see all that in 6,897 plays, find out how the coaches were asking them to excute it, and make a sound decison in under a week right?

You act like the man hasn't done this before.

Then again, with the regime that has been in charge for the past 20 years, I can see why.

Reerun_KC · 01-14-2009, 07:30 PM

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Originally Posted by 13and3

He is going to see all that in 6,897 plays, find out how the coaches were asking them to excute it, and make a sound decison in under a week right?

Your not actually serious about this are you?

Coaches are hired and fired every year...

You mean to tell me that you can give me one good reason on game day, why you would keep Herm?

FloridaMan88 · 01-14-2009, 07:32 PM

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Originally Posted by 13and3

He is going to see all that in 6,897 plays, find out how the coaches were asking them to excute it, and make a sound decison in under a week right?

This team went 2-14 this year and was ranked near the bottom of the league in most offensive and defensive statistics.

What else is there to analyze?

**Buehler445** · 01-14-2009, 07:31 PM

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

Video of every snap is logged into a computer system that will spit out anything you want.

Every play we ran on 3rd and 5.

Every play when we played man-to-man defense. Cover 2. MIKE blitz.

Every possible situation is catalogued and available to anyone with access to the system.

He doesn't need anyone to sit and watch film with him.

I was going to post, "I don't know...film?" You always have to one up me!!! Asshole!!!

Really though. If he went 2-14 do you really want his opinion anyway? Seriously?

**Bearcat** · 01-14-2009, 07:42 PM

It doesn't take very long to read '2-23'. He could watch three games tomorrow. The Colts playoff game where the Chiefs didn't throw past the first down marker for an entire half and didn't get a first down in the first ~37 minutes... and the @Colts game the next season where Croyle drives the Chiefs down the field for the tie, we force the Colts to punt, we defer and punt back, we stop them again and we defer again and Peyton Manning wins the game... and the @NYJ game this year when the Chiefs ran the same running play 3 times in a row against the 4th ranked rush defense that also had the 25th ranked pass defense with a RB that had gained 1ypc all day, all while needing one freakin' first down, and punted and let Brett Favre win the game. After that he could read '2-23' again if he needs any further proof.

Those 3 games show two things... one, Herm will more than likely never win more than 1 or 2 playoff games in a single season. Second, those decisions span 3 different seasons, showing that you can't fix stupid.

Things aren't going to get worse if he fires Herm. They can't.

13and3 · 01-14-2009, 07:52 PM

Its not just herm, the question is, is how has gunther been funking this team up, what about dick curl. What kind of stupid sh%t have they been puting into these players ears, we gotta to find out so we can keep the good players, and get rid of the bad ones. You need a season to seperate the coaches from the players, and see who is screwing up who.

kstater · 01-14-2009, 07:54 PM

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Originally Posted by 13and3

Its not just herm, the question is, is how has gunther been funking this team up, what about dick curl. What kind of stupid sh%t have they been puting into these players ears, we gotta to find out so we can keep the good players, and get rid of the bad ones. You need a season to seperate the coaches from he players, and see who is screwing up who.

So you need more time to evaluate whether Herm and Gun and Curl suck?

**KcMizzou** · 01-14-2009, 07:55 PM

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Originally Posted by 13and3

Its not just herm, the question is, is how has gunther been funking this team up, what about dick curl. What kind of stupid sh%t have they been puting into these players ears, we gotta to find out so we can keep the good players, and get rid of the bad ones. You need a season to seperate the coaches from he players, and see who is screwing up who.

No. You don't. That part's very, very easy.

Dude... seriously. WTF?

I'm starting to think you're just screwing with us.

suds79 · 01-14-2009, 07:59 PM

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Originally Posted by 13and3

Its not just herm, the question is, is how has gunther been funking this team up, what about dick curl. What kind of stupid sh%t have they been puting into these players ears, we gotta to find out so we can keep the good players, and get rid of the bad ones. You need a season to seperate the coaches from the players, and see who is screwing up who.

Wow.

Man up and grow a pair dude.

I'm getting the impression you've never gotten a thing done in your life without hemming and hawing about it 3 times longer than what's necessary.

But hey no worries. Some people are men of action and some are not.

I'm just glad you're not our GM.

mcan · 01-14-2009, 07:28 PM

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In the end you can’t be as thorough and calculated as he claims to be and not see this thing form every angle, before he takes action. It flies in the face of everything he and the patriots stood for. The old adage is correct measure twice and cut once

You're right that a whole lot can be learned about cancer in general by studying a tumor as it grows bigger and bigger inside of a person. But common sense says that it's a dumb idea to just let it. The knowledge gained from letting the tumor stick around doesn't outweigh the damage it's going to do. Best to cut it out quickly and completely. Then assess how healthy the rest of the body is without the tumor influencing it.

01-14-2009, 07:17 PM	Topic Starter
13and3 R8R H8R Join Date: Aug 2005 Casino cash: $9996027	Getting rid of herm? Who we be left to tell the story? Maybe I am missing something here, but how can he possibly evaluate all 10 or 20+ coaches on this team, in under a week. And if he fires herm and his whole staff, who will be around to say what really went wrong. First and foremost he needs to be able to evaluate the current talent level of the team, he already said in he press conference that in order to be effective in this area he needs to not only see game film, but also understand what the coaches were asking them to do, how can he ask someone who is not around? In my job everyday (I am a electrician) I am presented with some new task, and before I just jump in, I always stand back observe my surroundings; what are my hindrances, what can I use to my advantage, hell, what is the weather like. I take my time, make a good informed decision, and work efficiently a productively, that way I only bend pipe or run a wire once. And in the end the job is done well and in a respectable amount of time. In the end you can’t be as thorough and calculated as he claims to be and not see this thing form every angle, before he takes action. It flies in the face of everything he and the patriots stood for. The old adage is correct measure twice and cut once
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01-14-2009, 07:23 PM	#2
Dave Lane Space Cadet and Aczabel Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Kanab, UT, USA Casino cash: $9333275 VARSITY	He has already been thinking this out for years. The plan is already there. __________________ Thanks, Trump for the civics lesson. We are learning so much about RICO, espionage, sedition, impeachment, the 25th Amendment, order of succession, nepotism, separation of powers, 1st Amendment, obstruction of justice, the emoluments clause, conflicts of interest, collusion, sanctions, oligarchs, money laundering and so much more.
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13and3 R8R H8R Join Date: Aug 2005 Casino cash: $9996027	you cant plan for the unknown
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01-14-2009, 07:29 PM	#5
13and3 R8R H8R Join Date: Aug 2005 Casino cash: $9996027	He is going to see all that in 6,897 plays, find out how the coaches were asking them to excute it, and make a sound decison in under a week right?
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01-14-2009, 07:42 PM	#10
Bearcat Would an idiot do that? Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Arizona Casino cash: $2644931	It doesn't take very long to read '2-23'. He could watch three games tomorrow. The Colts playoff game where the Chiefs didn't throw past the first down marker for an entire half and didn't get a first down in the first ~37 minutes... and the @Colts game the next season where Croyle drives the Chiefs down the field for the tie, we force the Colts to punt, we defer and punt back, we stop them again and we defer again and Peyton Manning wins the game... and the @NYJ game this year when the Chiefs ran the same running play 3 times in a row against the 4th ranked rush defense that also had the 25th ranked pass defense with a RB that had gained 1ypc all day, all while needing one freakin' first down, and punted and let Brett Favre win the game. After that he could read '2-23' again if he needs any further proof. Those 3 games show two things... one, Herm will more than likely never win more than 1 or 2 playoff games in a single season. Second, those decisions span 3 different seasons, showing that you can't fix stupid. Things aren't going to get worse if he fires Herm. They can't.
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01-14-2009, 07:52 PM	#11
13and3 R8R H8R Join Date: Aug 2005 Casino cash: $9996027	Its not just herm, the question is, is how has gunther been funking this team up, what about dick curl. What kind of stupid sh%t have they been puting into these players ears, we gotta to find out so we can keep the good players, and get rid of the bad ones. You need a season to seperate the coaches from the players, and see who is screwing up who.
Posts: 574