Royals Thoughts on Game 3 - Page 2

Why Not? · 10-29-2015, 11:47 PM

First thing, are the national media and fans ever going to learn? To be fair, I heard a lot about the Royals early in the day, but by the afternoon it was all about Syndergaard and how if he wins tomorrow, it's a new series, blah blah blah.

Syndergaard has great upside and has pitched well. However, he is clearly inferior to the two pitchers already seen and handled by the Royals. He went 9-7 with a 3.24 era. Hardly Clemens mid to late 80's there. He also has thrown about 30 more innings this year than last, and his best pitch is a plus plus fastball. You know how we handle that. Additionally he is a rookie making his first WS start Under immense pressure. Make no mistake, this is as good as an elimination game for the Mets.

For the above reasons, I think we have the pitching matchup in our favor for this game. No doubt, Ventura has been inconsistent this year and it's been awhile since his last dominant start, but a few things work in his favor:

A)This is his 3rd WS and 9th overall postseason start. You hear from players all the time that there is nothing like post season experience. Syndergaard has had two playoff starts. Game 2 against LA 6 1/3 3 ER and a loss. Decent start. K'd 9 and walked 4. Betcha both of those totals take a nosedive in this game. His 2nd start was game 2 of the NLCS where he went 5 2/3 dominant innings with 1 ER 1 walk and another 9 K. The innings pitched is the main point here. My whole theory has been that out starters did not have to out pitch their Met counterparts, just match them. Volquez did that to a T in game 1 and Cueto obviously out pitched De Grom in game 2. So, can Ventura match Syndergaard for 6 innings? I think he can because

B)Remember, this was supposed to be our ace this year. That didn't quite work out but we all know Ventura has it in him to go 7 shutout innings. He is a pretty emotional guy who looks for reasons to fire himself up. Here are two that I am sure he has to be aware off. First off, literally everyone is talking about how great the guy who is going to save the season for the Mets is. Not much being said about the guy who is pitching for the team up 2-0, going for a kill shot. If I'm Dave Eiland or Salvy or Cueto, I make sure Ace knows that. Secondly, this is a legend play for Ventura. This has a chance to be the last meaningful game of the 2015 WS. I know, you know, the Mets know, the Royals know, everybody knows this series is over at 3-0. The Royals can forfeit games 4 and 5 and the series is still over and we all know it. Last year, Ventura could only look on as the game 7 he got the team to, played out. That had to hurt. Tomorrow(tonight for you guys), for all intents and purposes, he can end the World Series.

C)Volquez, Ventura and Cueto seem really close and like to pick each other up. You saw how Cueto pitched dedicating himself to pitching for Edison's dad. I'm sure Ventura wants to follow suit

And finally,

D)um, the Mets lineup still kinda sucks. Clearly, this was an offensive one trick pony. Keep Murphy in the park, the Mets struggle. Again, much of what I heard on national radio today was how the Mets hitters will be much more comfortable at home and find their grove. I think that's silly. Baseball is baseball. See the ball and hit it. Where you play the game has no ability to influence how you hit a baseball. It may have some influence on what happens to a ball after you hit it(ala Rogers Center or Minute Maid)but the Mets are just not a great lineup. Again, match Syndergaard,go 6 strong and get it to the rested bullpen

This is the chance to step on their throat. Do not give them a single shred of hope. Win tomorrow and the only question remaining is, what day is the parade??

I say Royals 5-2. What say you?

Jerm · 10-30-2015, 07:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Why Not?

Dude, it's kind of weird. I get the delusional fans, but I was listening to Mad Dog radio on the drive home and Dan Graca(whom I like, usually)was practically predicting a Mets sweep at Citi field. Kevin Millar said it's definitely going back to KC. It's just odd.

FS1 goofs the other night were saying the same things for the most part...it's all baffling to me. I think a sweep is way more likely than this even going back to K.C.

All in all I don't think we sweep but I don't think we're coming back to K.C. either.

**Bearcat** · 10-30-2015, 08:14 AM

This game seems too obvious. Ventura on the mound, the first two games haven't dispelled the thought that it's the least scary lineup they've faced, the Royals have done well after seeing their pitchers a couple times through the order, all the momentums... the only downside is taking away the DH, but Morales hasn't been a huge factor so far.

jimidollar · 10-30-2015, 08:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Bearcat

This game seems too obvious. Ventura on the mound, the first two games haven't dispelled the thought that it's the least scary lineup they've faced, the Royals have done well after seeing their pitchers a couple times through the order, all the momentums... the only downside is taking away the DH, but Morales hasn't been a huge factor so far.

Yeah, coming into the series, I was worried about not having Ken in NY. We've pretty much won without him. I think we'll still be able to put up enough runs to win.

ROYC75 · 10-30-2015, 08:39 AM

I see things a little different here,yet the same ending results.The way I see this is the Mets were so sure of winning fresh off their sweep of the Cubs, they really under estimated KC. Their pitching was built up, propped up into thinking they were invincible. The whole NY, East Coast and National media basically laid this out because of the young armed power pitching Mets.

Syndergaard and his 100% guarantee the Mets will win the WS goes right along with this way of thinking. KC was here last year, NY wasn't, talking is great but you have to bring it onto the field, play after play. The problem for the Mets is they were young, inexperienced on this stage. Being confident is one thing, arrogant and showing a lack of respect by expecting because of recent sucess is another.

This has caught them off guard and now in a hole 2 games to none. KC is still confident yet showing the poise that there is much more work to be done. The Mets are reeling and banking on a good outing from their young lad,Syndergaard. Can he maintain his composure in a do or die game ? How many people feel the Mets can come back if KC wins this game ? May I see a show of hands ? The Mets weakness couldn't expose the Royals weakness, yet the Royals strengths were too much for the Met strenghts in the 1st two games.

They say you ride in the game that brought ya here, it's either do or die or sink or swim for the Mets in Game # 3. It doesn't matter how you title it, put up and show up time for the Mets because they got caught with their guard down.

If I was a betting man, I say the pressure is too much for the young lad tonight as well. IMHO, Syndergaard has watched but hasn't faced a lineup this deep as the Royals are. He will get an inning or 2 until we get some runs on him, the question is how will he react? Can the Mets bats wake up some?

KC wins tonight, Mets the next 2, KC in 6 games!

**ChiTown** · 10-30-2015, 09:32 AM

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Originally Posted by Hog Farmer

People are still calling in on Sirius saying the Mets sweep the next 4 games and win in 6.

Dumbasses !

If Ventura is on his game we win. They are not an offense to be scared of at all. Keep hitting the inside corners on Murphy and he can't go park. The rest is chump change.

It's NOT completely irrational for anyone to think that. I doubt it happens, but I can certainly understand why there are some that might think that way.

That said - KC in 6

mr. tegu · 10-30-2015, 09:50 AM

I said before when the playoffs started that I wanted to face the Mets in the World Series. They won the worst division in the inferior league. They quite simply just aren't nearly as good as the Royals and I think Wednesday really showed just how much better the Royals are.

Their starting pitching was supposed to be their strength, but those numbers are propped up by playing in the national league. I think many people vastly underrated that aspect and didn't really take it into consideration. They had a pretty good second half but their offense is nothing like what the Royals just got through in the first two rounds. They depend so much on just a few players and this was hidden in their prior post season rounds by Murphy doing what he was doing. Most people knew that wasn't going to continue. Any hitter can beat you but the bottom of that lineup just doesn't do much to scare you.

The Royals have been the best team all season in the best league. Ventura pitched pretty well against Toronto and he is going to dominate tonight. I think 8 innings of 1 run ball and we cruise to an easy victory. I know people get worried because it is baseball and anything can happen in any game (and that is true) but we are the vastly superior team so I am very confident we win easy tonight and close it out tomorrow.

ROYC75 · 10-30-2015, 10:03 AM

Hey Mets fans, you look terrified!

Kidd Lex · 10-30-2015, 10:10 AM

Imagine for a moment the starting pitchers switched towns and Ventura was a Met developed in their farm system and had the last two years he's had here. The narrative would be about how amazing Ventura is - imagine his numbers in the NL - he would be right up there as one of their best pitchers. He had a 3.20 era in 2013 and a 4.08 in 2014. In the NL and that division those numbers would be improved half a run imo.

All the pressure is squarely on the Mets - win one in Gotham and the Royals are golden.

Halfcan · 10-30-2015, 12:13 PM

From day one, the Royals goal was to get back to the Series and win it this time. They are playing focused and inspired baseball. I am proud of this team. They never give up. So far they have beat the Mets in every aspect, pitching, hitting and defense.

Mets have a heartbreaking extra inning loss and then a complete beat down loss under their belts. I am sure the pressure is all on them. I like our chances and hope we can close them out for the Championship.

HC_Chief · 10-30-2015, 12:36 PM

Nice analysis.

I know one thing for certain: I AM GOING TO THE GAME TONIGHT BITCHES, AND I WILL BE REPPING KC!! WOO HOOO!!! CAPITAL LETTERS & STUFF!!!!

LET'S GO, ROYALS!

Why Not? · 10-30-2015, 01:28 PM

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Originally Posted by HC_Chief

Nice analysis.

I know one thing for certain: I AM GOING TO THE GAME TONIGHT BITCHES, AND I WILL BE REPPING KC!! WOO HOOO!!! CAPITAL LETTERS & STUFF!!!!

LET'S GO, ROYALS!

Hell yeah! Be nice to hear some Royals cheers especially late once the hopes of Mets fans die off

DaWolf · 10-30-2015, 02:02 PM

I should be confident but being a KC sports fan has me always bracing for the worst. I NEED the Royals to win two more games to convince me that we are not a cursed fan base in KC...

Lightrise · 10-30-2015, 02:21 PM

I like the Royals chances, but I admit that I never bet against a NY team in NY in championship ballgames. So it's sweet when NY teams lose there. I would have pitched Ventura in KC and Cueto in NY but looking back its better the other way around, especially given the outcome. How do you prepare Ventura for this? Don't be surprised if the benches empty at some point tonight. I would laugh my ass off if he gets a hit.

**RealSNR** · 10-30-2015, 05:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Buehler445

Yordano always scares the shit out of me. He can look like a beast up there in the first and give up 6 in the second.

He's also been prone to the Homerun ball and the last thing we need is to get Murphy or Duda some confidence.

I'm hoping he goes 5 dominant ones with some run support. I think we can close that up.

He was fine against Toronto. This is a big park. He'll be fine

ChiliConCarnage · 10-30-2015, 05:40 PM

Think like it'll be close. Keep it in the park, Yo. Give the late game magic a chance to work

10-29-2015, 11:47 PM
Why Not? In Search of a Life Join Date: Apr 2013 Location: Kansas Casino cash: $3158994	Thoughts on Game 3 First thing, are the national media and fans ever going to learn? To be fair, I heard a lot about the Royals early in the day, but by the afternoon it was all about Syndergaard and how if he wins tomorrow, it's a new series, blah blah blah. Syndergaard has great upside and has pitched well. However, he is clearly inferior to the two pitchers already seen and handled by the Royals. He went 9-7 with a 3.24 era. Hardly Clemens mid to late 80's there. He also has thrown about 30 more innings this year than last, and his best pitch is a plus plus fastball. You know how we handle that. Additionally he is a rookie making his first WS start Under immense pressure. Make no mistake, this is as good as an elimination game for the Mets. For the above reasons, I think we have the pitching matchup in our favor for this game. No doubt, Ventura has been inconsistent this year and it's been awhile since his last dominant start, but a few things work in his favor: A)This is his 3rd WS and 9th overall postseason start. You hear from players all the time that there is nothing like post season experience. Syndergaard has had two playoff starts. Game 2 against LA 6 1/3 3 ER and a loss. Decent start. K'd 9 and walked 4. Betcha both of those totals take a nosedive in this game. His 2nd start was game 2 of the NLCS where he went 5 2/3 dominant innings with 1 ER 1 walk and another 9 K. The innings pitched is the main point here. My whole theory has been that out starters did not have to out pitch their Met counterparts, just match them. Volquez did that to a T in game 1 and Cueto obviously out pitched De Grom in game 2. So, can Ventura match Syndergaard for 6 innings? I think he can because B)Remember, this was supposed to be our ace this year. That didn't quite work out but we all know Ventura has it in him to go 7 shutout innings. He is a pretty emotional guy who looks for reasons to fire himself up. Here are two that I am sure he has to be aware off. First off, literally everyone is talking about how great the guy who is going to save the season for the Mets is. Not much being said about the guy who is pitching for the team up 2-0, going for a kill shot. If I'm Dave Eiland or Salvy or Cueto, I make sure Ace knows that. Secondly, this is a legend play for Ventura. This has a chance to be the last meaningful game of the 2015 WS. I know, you know, the Mets know, the Royals know, everybody knows this series is over at 3-0. The Royals can forfeit games 4 and 5 and the series is still over and we all know it. Last year, Ventura could only look on as the game 7 he got the team to, played out. That had to hurt. Tomorrow(tonight for you guys), for all intents and purposes, he can end the World Series. C)Volquez, Ventura and Cueto seem really close and like to pick each other up. You saw how Cueto pitched dedicating himself to pitching for Edison's dad. I'm sure Ventura wants to follow suit And finally, D)um, the Mets lineup still kinda sucks. Clearly, this was an offensive one trick pony. Keep Murphy in the park, the Mets struggle. Again, much of what I heard on national radio today was how the Mets hitters will be much more comfortable at home and find their grove. I think that's silly. Baseball is baseball. See the ball and hit it. Where you play the game has no ability to influence how you hit a baseball. It may have some influence on what happens to a ball after you hit it(ala Rogers Center or Minute Maid)but the Mets are just not a great lineup. Again, match Syndergaard,go 6 strong and get it to the rested bullpen This is the chance to step on their throat. Do not give them a single shred of hope. Win tomorrow and the only question remaining is, what day is the parade?? I say Royals 5-2. What say you?
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10-30-2015, 08:14 AM	#17
Bearcat Would an idiot do that? Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Arizona Casino cash: $2814931	This game seems too obvious. Ventura on the mound, the first two games haven't dispelled the thought that it's the least scary lineup they've faced, the Royals have done well after seeing their pitchers a couple times through the order, all the momentums... the only downside is taking away the DH, but Morales hasn't been a huge factor so far. __________________
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10-30-2015, 08:39 AM	#19
ROYC75 Time For Your Wake Up Call !!! Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Barn Yard Casino cash: $5679400	I see things a little different here,yet the same ending results.The way I see this is the Mets were so sure of winning fresh off their sweep of the Cubs, they really under estimated KC. Their pitching was built up, propped up into thinking they were invincible. The whole NY, East Coast and National media basically laid this out because of the young armed power pitching Mets. Syndergaard and his 100% guarantee the Mets will win the WS goes right along with this way of thinking. KC was here last year, NY wasn't, talking is great but you have to bring it onto the field, play after play. The problem for the Mets is they were young, inexperienced on this stage. Being confident is one thing, arrogant and showing a lack of respect by expecting because of recent sucess is another. This has caught them off guard and now in a hole 2 games to none. KC is still confident yet showing the poise that there is much more work to be done. The Mets are reeling and banking on a good outing from their young lad,Syndergaard. Can he maintain his composure in a do or die game ? How many people feel the Mets can come back if KC wins this game ? May I see a show of hands ? The Mets weakness couldn't expose the Royals weakness, yet the Royals strengths were too much for the Met strenghts in the 1st two games. They say you ride in the game that brought ya here, it's either do or die or sink or swim for the Mets in Game # 3. It doesn't matter how you title it, put up and show up time for the Mets because they got caught with their guard down. If I was a betting man, I say the pressure is too much for the young lad tonight as well. IMHO, Syndergaard has watched but hasn't faced a lineup this deep as the Royals are. He will get an inning or 2 until we get some runs on him, the question is how will he react? Can the Mets bats wake up some? KC wins tonight, Mets the next 2, KC in 6 games! __________________ Our society is run by insane people for insane objectives. I think we're being run by maniacs for maniacal ends and I think I'm liable to be put away as insane for expressing that. That's what's insane about it. John Lennon
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10-30-2015, 09:50 AM	#21
mr. tegu Forever Royal Join Date: Mar 2012 Casino cash: $1971300	I said before when the playoffs started that I wanted to face the Mets in the World Series. They won the worst division in the inferior league. They quite simply just aren't nearly as good as the Royals and I think Wednesday really showed just how much better the Royals are. Their starting pitching was supposed to be their strength, but those numbers are propped up by playing in the national league. I think many people vastly underrated that aspect and didn't really take it into consideration. They had a pretty good second half but their offense is nothing like what the Royals just got through in the first two rounds. They depend so much on just a few players and this was hidden in their prior post season rounds by Murphy doing what he was doing. Most people knew that wasn't going to continue. Any hitter can beat you but the bottom of that lineup just doesn't do much to scare you. The Royals have been the best team all season in the best league. Ventura pitched pretty well against Toronto and he is going to dominate tonight. I think 8 innings of 1 run ball and we cruise to an easy victory. I know people get worried because it is baseball and anything can happen in any game (and that is true) but we are the vastly superior team so I am very confident we win easy tonight and close it out tomorrow.
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10-30-2015, 10:03 AM	#22
ROYC75 Time For Your Wake Up Call !!! Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Barn Yard Casino cash: $5679400	We want your candy! Hey Mets fans, you look terrified! Attached Thumbnails __________________ Our society is run by insane people for insane objectives. I think we're being run by maniacs for maniacal ends and I think I'm liable to be put away as insane for expressing that. That's what's insane about it. John Lennon
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10-30-2015, 10:10 AM	#23
Kidd Lex Veteran Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: Kansas City Casino cash: $4862608	Imagine for a moment the starting pitchers switched towns and Ventura was a Met developed in their farm system and had the last two years he's had here. The narrative would be about how amazing Ventura is - imagine his numbers in the NL - he would be right up there as one of their best pitchers. He had a 3.20 era in 2013 and a 4.08 in 2014. In the NL and that division those numbers would be improved half a run imo. All the pressure is squarely on the Mets - win one in Gotham and the Royals are golden. __________________ You are not your job, you're not how much money you have in the bank. You are not the car you drive. You're not the contents of your wallet. You are not your ****ing khakis. -Fight Club
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10-30-2015, 12:13 PM	#24
Halfcan In Search of a Life Join Date: Aug 2005 Casino cash: $7327995	From day one, the Royals goal was to get back to the Series and win it this time. They are playing focused and inspired baseball. I am proud of this team. They never give up. So far they have beat the Mets in every aspect, pitching, hitting and defense. Mets have a heartbreaking extra inning loss and then a complete beat down loss under their belts. I am sure the pressure is all on them. I like our chances and hope we can close them out for the Championship.
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10-30-2015, 12:36 PM	#25
HC_Chief That's just f***in' stupid Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: suburbia Casino cash: $3687107	Nice analysis. I know one thing for certain: I AM GOING TO THE GAME TONIGHT BITCHES, AND I WILL BE REPPING KC!! WOO HOOO!!! CAPITAL LETTERS & STUFF!!!! LET'S GO, ROYALS! __________________ "Gentlemen, you can't fight in here, this is the war room!"
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10-30-2015, 02:02 PM	#27
DaWolf Cry havoc... Join Date: Aug 2000 Casino cash: $10007725	I should be confident but being a KC sports fan has me always bracing for the worst. I NEED the Royals to win two more games to convince me that we are not a cursed fan base in KC...
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10-30-2015, 02:21 PM	#28
Lightrise Starter Join Date: Dec 2011 Casino cash: $10005085	I like the Royals chances, but I admit that I never bet against a NY team in NY in championship ballgames. So it's sweet when NY teams lose there. I would have pitched Ventura in KC and Cueto in NY but looking back its better the other way around, especially given the outcome. How do you prepare Ventura for this? Don't be surprised if the benches empty at some point tonight. I would laugh my ass off if he gets a hit.
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10-30-2015, 05:40 PM	#30
ChiliConCarnage TACO SALAD Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: yes Casino cash: $1798468	Think like it'll be close. Keep it in the park, Yo. Give the late game magic a chance to work
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