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C-Mac · 04-25-2008, 07:19 PM

Final mock draft: Plenty of movement down the stretch
Pat Kirwan By Pat Kirwan | NFL.com
Senior Analyst

There has already been some serious business this week. The first pick in the draft is locked up with Jake Long going to Miami. The Jared Allen trade to the Vikings has stirred up the first round and the Chiefs may be much more flexible about trading out of the No. 5 spot. I also believe they are getting a lot of calls about the 17th pick they received in the deal.

Lito Sheppard, Jeremy Shockey, Fabian Washington and a few other veterans could also stir up the selection process.

Recently, we witnessed a few players admitting to failed drug tests, another player having heart surgery and the last of the pro days reshaping the first day of the draft. As late as Thursday, teams were still flying around the country to get a final peak at candidates.

The wild card in the first round is still Boston College quarterback Matt Ryan, who could go at any number of spots in the opening round. There are varying opinions on Ryan and club executives in search of a quarterback can't waste much time comparing him to quarterbacks of years past. They need to ask themselves the question: If we pass on Ryan is there any guarantee we will get a player of equal or better talent next year? If he upgrades your team, it will be very hard to pass on him this year.

Atlanta, Kansas City, Baltimore and at least one other team have a very serious decision to make and it isn't going to be easy. History says the quarterback debate takes center stage in the hours leading up to the draft. Banking on Brian Brohm, Chad Henne or Joe Flacco being there in the second round is risky business. Not to mention, if those clubs believe Ryan is the best prospect than how can they wait?

I get the sense that a few of the decision makers on draft day are struggling with medical and/or off-the-field issues and for good reason. There's just too much money involved to take the risk anymore. Now that Long has taken a five-year deal from Miami instead of the traditional six-year deal at the top of the first round, the climate has changed dramatically.

A safe pick is going to trump a guy with great talent who may also present a risk. One-year wonders are another concern that seem to be on the mind of personnel directors with little time left before the draft. The Jake Long pick by the Dolphins sends a big message about how clubs look at the draft these days. Be safe and get the guy who has done it over time.

He has the Chiefs trading with Patriots and picking QB Matt Ryan at #9 and taking CB Michael Jenkins at #17.

Deberg_1990 · 04-25-2008, 08:01 PM

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Originally Posted by LiL stumpy

Your saying we don't have any key players? LJ, Gonzo, DJ,Tamba, Bowe aren't players you can build a team around?

Funny how we are missing the most important one of all: QB

Mecca · 04-25-2008, 08:04 PM

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Originally Posted by LiL stumpy

Your saying we don't have any key players? LJ, Gonzo, DJ,Tamba, Bowe aren't players you can build a team around?

For the love of god Tony Gonzalez is getting old, we have to stop counting him he isn't going to play for 10 more years. Same for Larry Johnson RB years are like dog years he's on the wrong side of his career too..

The other guys hey we'll see, Bowe so far yea, DJ is improving and Hali isn't really a cornerstone he's solid.

Mecca · 04-25-2008, 08:04 PM

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Originally Posted by aturnis

I thought only idiots drafted based on need?

Mo-ron

You didn't notice that everything on the team is a need eh?

SCTrojan · 04-25-2008, 08:05 PM

Not a big fan of it. In a draft where all the top prospects have some question marks, I think Ryan has more question marks than Ellis or even one of the tackles still available at #10.

I agree that a franchise quarterback is a key element in building a winning team, I'm just not convinced Ryan is that guy.

Having said that, I wouldn't roof test my TV if it happened.

eazyb81 · 04-25-2008, 08:08 PM

Like I said in the same thread on the Draft forum, I am a big fan of this mock. No, we don't get the elite OT that everyone is clamoring for, but we get two stud prospects, one at the most important position in football.

That said, all this arguing is probably a waste of time since Atlanta will most likely take Ryan. Adam Shefter reported tonight on NFLN that Matt Ryan is at the top of Atlanta's draft board, and they will take him even if Dorsey is available. He also said Ryan is on the top of more team boards than most would expect.

Who knows, maybe it's last second posturing to see if KC trades up, but I think Atlanta will end up with Ryan when it's all said and done.

philfree · 04-25-2008, 08:13 PM

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Originally Posted by LiL stumpy

He was very inconsistent, I'm not saying he wont be, but he wasn't this season. Although he did play very well in the Playoffs.

60% completions(yeah that's not great but it ain't bad) and 6to1 TD/INT ratio playing in some awful conditions some of the time and he made the plays when he had to for the Giants to win.

PhilFree

Deberg_1990 · 04-25-2008, 08:14 PM

ANother thing everyone needs to realize is that even with 13 draft picks, we arnt going to hit on every single one of them.

Id be ecstatic if we nailed 5 or 6 solid long term starters. Even that might be wishful thinking...

This is a good 2-3 year rebuild.

LiL stumppy · 04-25-2008, 08:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Deberg_1990

Funny how we are missing the most important one of all: QB

No one on this message board knows if Croyle is going to be good. He hasn't had a o-line to keep him off his ass, and he hasn't played a whole season. I don't want to be on the same situation the Browns are in, because we never gave the guy a chance.

Brock · 04-25-2008, 08:38 PM

LOL, do you really think the Browns regret drafting Brady Quinn?

Deberg_1990 · 04-25-2008, 08:39 PM

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Originally Posted by LiL stumpy

I don't want to be on the same situation the Browns are in, because we never gave the guy a chance.

HUH?? The Browns are in a great position. Id love for the Chiefs to be in a position like that.

eazyb81 · 04-25-2008, 08:40 PM

Having one and potentially two great QBs doesn't sound like a horrible situation to me.

LiL stumppy · 04-25-2008, 08:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Brock

LOL, do you really think the Browns regret drafting Brady Quinn?

I never said they regretted anything. But I don't want a first round QB getting paid first round money, and Croyle ends up being something special. The browns now have 2 young QB's, and only 1 can play. If they gave Anderson another year to prove himself, they wouldn't of had to draft Quinn, and would of had another draft pick in the first round for whatever else they needed.

Brock · 04-25-2008, 08:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by LiL stumpy

I never said they regretted anything. But I don't want a first round QB getting paid first round money, and Croyle ends up being something special. The browns now have 2 young QB's, and only 1 can play. If they gave Anderson another year to prove himself, they wouldn't of had to draft Quinn, and would of had another draft pick in the first round for whatever else they needed.

Let me rephrase my question so you actually have to answer it: Do you really think the Browns wish they could have their pick back this year instead of having Brady Quinn?

philfree · 04-25-2008, 08:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by LiL stumpy

No one on this message board knows if Croyle is going to be good. He hasn't had a o-line to keep him off his ass, and he hasn't played a whole season. I don't want to be on the same situation the Browns are in, because we never gave the guy a chance.

I'm backing Croyle but I can see the merit in drafting Ryan. The competition between the two could let us see if what we have in Croyle a little fraster and how he performs under pressure. Actually that applies to both he and Ryan.

PhilFree

LiL stumppy · 04-25-2008, 08:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Brock

Let me rephrase my question so you actually have to answer it: Do you really think the Browns wish they could have their pick back this year instead of having Brady Quinn?

I don't know about them, but I would. If you knew Anderson was going to be this good, would you of drafted Quinn? Obviously no.

04-25-2008, 07:19 PM
C-Mac Lurker Extraordinaire Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Wally World Casino cash: $2323699	Pat Kirwan-Final mock draft: Plenty of movement down the stretch Final mock draft: Plenty of movement down the stretch Pat Kirwan By Pat Kirwan \| NFL.com Senior Analyst There has already been some serious business this week. The first pick in the draft is locked up with Jake Long going to Miami. The Jared Allen trade to the Vikings has stirred up the first round and the Chiefs may be much more flexible about trading out of the No. 5 spot. I also believe they are getting a lot of calls about the 17th pick they received in the deal. Lito Sheppard, Jeremy Shockey, Fabian Washington and a few other veterans could also stir up the selection process. Recently, we witnessed a few players admitting to failed drug tests, another player having heart surgery and the last of the pro days reshaping the first day of the draft. As late as Thursday, teams were still flying around the country to get a final peak at candidates. The wild card in the first round is still Boston College quarterback Matt Ryan, who could go at any number of spots in the opening round. There are varying opinions on Ryan and club executives in search of a quarterback can't waste much time comparing him to quarterbacks of years past. They need to ask themselves the question: If we pass on Ryan is there any guarantee we will get a player of equal or better talent next year? If he upgrades your team, it will be very hard to pass on him this year. Atlanta, Kansas City, Baltimore and at least one other team have a very serious decision to make and it isn't going to be easy. History says the quarterback debate takes center stage in the hours leading up to the draft. Banking on Brian Brohm, Chad Henne or Joe Flacco being there in the second round is risky business. Not to mention, if those clubs believe Ryan is the best prospect than how can they wait? I get the sense that a few of the decision makers on draft day are struggling with medical and/or off-the-field issues and for good reason. There's just too much money involved to take the risk anymore. Now that Long has taken a five-year deal from Miami instead of the traditional six-year deal at the top of the first round, the climate has changed dramatically. A safe pick is going to trump a guy with great talent who may also present a risk. One-year wonders are another concern that seem to be on the mind of personnel directors with little time left before the draft. The Jake Long pick by the Dolphins sends a big message about how clubs look at the draft these days. Be safe and get the guy who has done it over time. He has the Chiefs trading with Patriots and picking QB Matt Ryan at #9 and taking CB Michael Jenkins at #17.
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SCTrojan Veteran Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Across the park Casino cash: $6179719	Not a big fan of it. In a draft where all the top prospects have some question marks, I think Ryan has more question marks than Ellis or even one of the tackles still available at #10. I agree that a franchise quarterback is a key element in building a winning team, I'm just not convinced Ryan is that guy. Having said that, I wouldn't roof test my TV if it happened.
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04-25-2008, 08:08 PM	#35
eazyb81 The Illuminati Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: the road less traveled Casino cash: $10004900	Like I said in the same thread on the Draft forum, I am a big fan of this mock. No, we don't get the elite OT that everyone is clamoring for, but we get two stud prospects, one at the most important position in football. That said, all this arguing is probably a waste of time since Atlanta will most likely take Ryan. Adam Shefter reported tonight on NFLN that Matt Ryan is at the top of Atlanta's draft board, and they will take him even if Dorsey is available. He also said Ryan is on the top of more team boards than most would expect. Who knows, maybe it's last second posturing to see if KC trades up, but I think Atlanta will end up with Ryan when it's all said and done.
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Deberg_1990 In Search of a Life Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: San Antonio Tx. Casino cash: $3914454	ANother thing everyone needs to realize is that even with 13 draft picks, we arnt going to hit on every single one of them. Id be ecstatic if we nailed 5 or 6 solid long term starters. Even that might be wishful thinking... This is a good 2-3 year rebuild. __________________ Originally Posted by Cassel's Reckoning: Matt once made a very nice play in Seattle where he spun away from a pass rusher and hit Bowe off his back foot for a first down. One of the best plays Matt has ever made.
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eazyb81 The Illuminati Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: the road less traveled Casino cash: $10004900	Having one and potentially two great QBs doesn't sound like a horrible situation to me.
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