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C-Mac · 04-25-2008, 07:19 PM

Final mock draft: Plenty of movement down the stretch
Pat Kirwan By Pat Kirwan | NFL.com
Senior Analyst

There has already been some serious business this week. The first pick in the draft is locked up with Jake Long going to Miami. The Jared Allen trade to the Vikings has stirred up the first round and the Chiefs may be much more flexible about trading out of the No. 5 spot. I also believe they are getting a lot of calls about the 17th pick they received in the deal.

Lito Sheppard, Jeremy Shockey, Fabian Washington and a few other veterans could also stir up the selection process.

Recently, we witnessed a few players admitting to failed drug tests, another player having heart surgery and the last of the pro days reshaping the first day of the draft. As late as Thursday, teams were still flying around the country to get a final peak at candidates.

The wild card in the first round is still Boston College quarterback Matt Ryan, who could go at any number of spots in the opening round. There are varying opinions on Ryan and club executives in search of a quarterback can't waste much time comparing him to quarterbacks of years past. They need to ask themselves the question: If we pass on Ryan is there any guarantee we will get a player of equal or better talent next year? If he upgrades your team, it will be very hard to pass on him this year.

Atlanta, Kansas City, Baltimore and at least one other team have a very serious decision to make and it isn't going to be easy. History says the quarterback debate takes center stage in the hours leading up to the draft. Banking on Brian Brohm, Chad Henne or Joe Flacco being there in the second round is risky business. Not to mention, if those clubs believe Ryan is the best prospect than how can they wait?

I get the sense that a few of the decision makers on draft day are struggling with medical and/or off-the-field issues and for good reason. There's just too much money involved to take the risk anymore. Now that Long has taken a five-year deal from Miami instead of the traditional six-year deal at the top of the first round, the climate has changed dramatically.

A safe pick is going to trump a guy with great talent who may also present a risk. One-year wonders are another concern that seem to be on the mind of personnel directors with little time left before the draft. The Jake Long pick by the Dolphins sends a big message about how clubs look at the draft these days. Be safe and get the guy who has done it over time.

He has the Chiefs trading with Patriots and picking QB Matt Ryan at #9 and taking CB Michael Jenkins at #17.

'Hamas' Jenkins · 04-25-2008, 09:00 PM

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Originally Posted by aturnis

What does this have to do with me? I Don't think Dorsey or Long will be available, and not many people did back then either. I would like Ellis myself, but definitely not Gholston.

It's a "moo" point now anyways, just thought I'd call Mecca on his hypocrisies.

The fact that you don't like Gholston makes me feel a little better about his prospects.

LiL stumppy · 04-25-2008, 09:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Deberg_1990

and what if they dont get those this year?? I mentioned earlier they wont get everything they need this year. Thats reality.

We will get both this year.

'Hamas' Jenkins · 04-25-2008, 09:02 PM

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Originally Posted by dirk digler

We will see how this all plays out but IMHO Jake Long is the best player in this draft. Listening to other teams in the Top 5 they all had Long rated #1 on their board.

Long and Long being high on boards has to do with the fact that they are "safe" picks, and guys like Phil Savage have admitted as much. You don't win championships with safe picks, though. If you were looking at talent, you'd find that Gholston, McFadden, Dorsey and Ellis were higher rated players.

I just feel like those guys are B+ pros at best. Gholston is the kind of guy who can change an entire game.

**dirk digler** · 04-25-2008, 09:02 PM

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Originally Posted by aturnis

Consensus bust...

Could be we will see in a couple of years.

'Hamas' Jenkins · 04-25-2008, 09:03 PM

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Originally Posted by aturnis

Consensus bust...

Typical Chiefs fan. Fret about a guy like Antonio Cromartie and

if you get Tamba Hali.

**Skip Towne** · 04-25-2008, 09:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Mecca

Really?

I want the guys I think will be the best players.

.....and will start immediately.

**dirk digler** · 04-25-2008, 09:06 PM

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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

Long and Long being high on boards has to do with the fact that they are "safe" picks, and guys like Phil Savage have admitted as much. You don't win championships with safe picks, though. If you were looking at talent, you'd find that Gholston, McFadden, Dorsey and Ellis were higher rated players.

I just feel like those guys are B+ pros at best. Gholston is the kind of guy who can change an entire game.

I personally feel that Jake Long will play longer than any of those players and probably will be a starter for 10+ years. If that is safe that is ok with me. I would love the Chiefs to have a LT they can depend on for the next 10 years.

By saying that I am not knocking any of those guys because I like each one except maybe McFadden. I just feel Jake Long is a little bit better.

aturnis · 04-25-2008, 09:09 PM

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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

Gholston is the kind of guy who can change an entire game.

You see...you are the only one I hear saying this...all the guys who get paid to say stuff, say he disappears. That he is a workout warrior, and hell of a highlight film...but when you watch a few games, he has a tendency to get swallowed up and disappear.

I realize talking head are just that, but...I still think they have an edge on most all of us.

Messier · 04-25-2008, 09:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

Typical Chiefs fan. Fret about a guy like Antonio Cromartie and

if you get Tamba Hali.

I know this has been brought up before but Cromartie was drafted before Hali, and besides, I'm not upset with the Hali pick.

Mecca · 04-25-2008, 09:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Messier

I know this has been brought up before but Cromartie was drafted before Hali, and besides, I'm not upset with the Hali pick.

Before that draft a ton of people didn't want him because well I was pushing for him...it's the point that a ton of fans here didn't want Cromartie even if he had been there.

Brock · 04-25-2008, 09:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Skip Towne

.....and will start immediately.

Who wouldn't start on this team?

GoHuge · 04-25-2008, 09:56 PM

Matt Ryan won't be there at #9.

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