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Old 04-25-2009, 02:27 PM  
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Old 02-04-2012, 06:49 PM   #1051
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After the 2009 season, he should have said, "I ****ed up," and then cut Cassel and attempt to fix the situation. However, signing the guy to a $63 million dollar extension before playing a down should have been a fireable offense on the spot.
Agreed. That contract is holding us down. If only we had $30mil in cap space.
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Old 02-04-2012, 06:51 PM   #1052
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Agreed. That contract is holding us down. If only we had $30mil in cap space.
They are the Cheaps, but spent too much money on trying to fill the QB position. Failed miserably, but they threw some coin at it.
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Old 02-04-2012, 06:51 PM   #1053
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They are the Cheaps, but spent too much money on trying to fill the QB position. Failed miserably, but they threw some coin at it.
It's not really that they are cheap. It's that this team is pretty young. Young players are cheaper.
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Old 02-04-2012, 06:52 PM   #1054
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It's not really that they are cheap. It's that this team is pretty young. Young players are cheaper.
I agree with that, but not everyone sees it that way. They let Bowe or Carr walk, I may change my tune.
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Old 02-04-2012, 06:58 PM   #1055
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The QB is the most important position on the field. Everything else is gravy. If you do not have a franchise QB, then you keep looking for one. Pioli saw Matt Cassel practice and play and said to himself, "That is my franchise QB." Yes, Pioli should be fired for that alone.
No Cassel fan, but I can understand starting him for every season but this next one.

2008- He comes in with no expectations and does better than expected, gets franchised, Chiefs trade a 2nd for Cassel and Vrabel.

2009- Below average on a bad team 16 TDs 16 INTs, but just first year. If he were to repeat this performance I think he's gone.

2010- Best year team goes to playoffs. It's hard to say after a year like 2010 he needs to go.

2011- reverts to 2009 play, and finishes year on IR.

Now, he's got to go.
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I agree with that, but not everyone sees it that way. They let Bowe or Carr walk, I may change my tune.
I agree both players need to be back, as I understand it, that's why we kept the cap room, to resign our own.
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Old 02-04-2012, 07:08 PM   #1057
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No Cassel fan, but I can understand starting him for every season but this next one.

2008- He comes in with no expectations and does better than expected, gets franchised, Chiefs trade a 2nd for Cassel and Vrabel.

2009- Below average on a bad team 16 TDs 16 INTs, but just first year. If he were to repeat this performance I think he's gone.

2010- Best year team goes to playoffs. It's hard to say after a year like 2010 he needs to go.

2011- reverts to 2009 play, and finishes year on IR.

Now, he's got to go.
I think I'd keep Cassel around for at least the first few games of 2012. Unless the Chiefs want to go all out and get Manning then its the same old shit of being just out of reach of a top QB in the draft and no one to get excited about in FA.

Otherwise I'd go after Osweiler in the draft and let him and Stanzi battle it out in the offseason, which would be the first full offseason for both of them. Whoever wins the job I'd bring in after the first 4 or so game if Cassel is still shitting himself, and finally closing the book on Cassel.
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jd, what are your thoughts on Orton?

Same as Cassel?

I think I'd rather have him than Cassel, but if Manning is healthy thats the way you go.
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jd, what are your thoughts on Orton?

Same as Cassel?

I think I'd rather have him than Cassel, but if Manning is healthy thats the way you go.
I think he wants to start and isn't going to sign with the Chiefs.

I'd rather have him, but it's unrealistic to think that he is going to be guaranteed the job which is going to send him elsewhere.
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Old 02-04-2012, 07:12 PM   #1060
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I think he wants to start and isn't going to sign with the Chiefs.

I'd rather have him, but it's unrealistic to think that he is going to be guaranteed the job which is going to send him elsewhere.
Probably so.

Where do you think he ends up?

I coudl see Orton in Seattle or Miami.
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Old 02-04-2012, 07:14 PM   #1061
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Probably so.

Where do you think he ends up?

I coudl see Orton in Seattle or Miami.
I could see him going to pretty much every team looking for a starting QB, minus the Colts. Then depending on who gets RG3, whether its Cleveland or Washington, I could see him going to the team that missed out.
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I could see him going to pretty much every team looking for a starting QB, minus the Colts. Then depending on who gets RG3, whether its Cleveland or Washington, I could see him going to the team that missed out.
Probably right.

I think Washington would be a good place for him, as he could run shanny's o. I think Vince Young could run that offense to a T, but he seems to be a headcase.

I think Flynn could end up in Miami, Orton in Wash ( lotta people think Manning is a Skin but I don't see the fit), and Campbell somewhere. I dunno really where Manning fits.


Hell I guess KC is as good as any, but I don't see him wanting to come here.
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Really? The second best QB to come out of the 2010 draft is Colt McCoy. Give me a ****ing break.
How could you possibly know that? It's only the second year and most of them never saw the field.
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Whiffed of some great QBs?

And here's what I think happened with the QB situation last year, just my theory, I think it was Haleys idea to go into the season with Palko as the top back up, and when Cassel went down Haley stuck with Palko. Pioli then picked up Orton to try and force haley to sit Palko, he didn't do it, goodbye Haley.
Oh, give me a ****ing break. Ball wash much?

Haley was on the chopping block well before Palko ever entered the picture. And apart from one and a half quarters, Haley didn't bench Palko in favor of Orton.

There is no ****ing way you Pioli WASN'T the most to blame for the abortion of a QB depth chart last year.
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How could you possibly know that? It's only the second year and most of them never saw the field.
Huh? Most of the ones that are ever going to see the field have.

2010 sucked.

Bradford
Tebow - awful
Clausen - replaced
McCoy - about to be replaced
Skelton - his fire burnt out quick
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