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Old 11-03-2016, 09:11 PM  
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*** Official 2017 Royals Offseason Repository ***

The reign is over. Time to begin the quest for the next one.

Interesting offseason opens for the Royals. Will they go all in for one last shot with this crew? Will they re-tool for 2018 and beyond? Will Dayton Moore actually decrease payroll this time?

Trades, free agent signings, rumors, plans, proposals... dump 'em all here, for this is... the offseason repository!

Royals Top Prospects, 2017

This is a list that’s going to seem a little bleak initially, as Raul Mondesi got enough ABs to age out of the prospect rankings (just barely – at 135 ABs, he is not rookie eligible). But that said, I like the talent and feel like this is a system that will actually be underrated by the prospect services.

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Old 02-13-2017, 06:18 PM   #1966
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Old 02-13-2017, 06:22 PM   #1967
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I'd like to see a play for Wood. Give him a shot at the rotation and if that doesn't work, move him to the pen.
Good call, 1-week-ago Pitt Gorilla. Good call.
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Old 02-13-2017, 06:24 PM   #1968
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Old 02-13-2017, 07:54 PM   #1969
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If the Royals won that one, the national media would cover our victory for about 15 seconds. The rest of the time would be spent analyzing what the Cubs did wrong.

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Old 02-13-2017, 08:02 PM   #1970
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Well Dayton is taking our most obvious weakness and definitely doing his best to address it.

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Old 02-13-2017, 08:07 PM   #1971
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I like this more than the Hammel deal. Unless we signed Cole Hammel, in which case id prefer that


DM didn't produce any arms after YV. That's been expensive but Theo has the same philosophy, produce your own bats and sign pitching. Three guys we traded (Manaea, Finnegan, Reed) had FIPs of 4, 5, and 6 last year. Would they even help us much this year had we kept any?
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Old 02-13-2017, 08:20 PM   #1972
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Drew Butera, from Evansville, Indiana, playing for team Italy. His parents from New York. Makes sense.
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After thinking about it a bit, this deal also feels like insurance in case Kennedy opts out this year. There's a fair chance he'd do just that if he produces like he did in 2016.
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DM didn't produce any arms after YV. That's been expensive but Theo has the same philosophy, produce your own bats and sign pitching. Three guys we traded (Manaea, Finnegan, Reed) had FIPs of 4, 5, and 6 last year. Would they even help us much this year had we kept any?
I think Manaea is going to be quite good this season.
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Assuming his UCL stays mostly intact, that dude's destined to be a stud.
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I like this more than the Hammel deal. Unless we signed Cole Hammel, in which case id prefer that


DM didn't produce any arms after YV. That's been expensive but Theo has the same philosophy, produce your own bats and sign pitching. Three guys we traded (Manaea, Finnegan, Reed) had FIPs of 4, 5, and 6 last year. Would they even help us much this year had we kept any?

Reed and Finnegan: I don't think so.

Manaea... I think he's ready to help this year. My feelings on his upside are well-known, I think. He's got real stud potential/ability.


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I like this more than the Hammel deal. Unless we signed Cole Hammel, in which case id prefer that


DM didn't produce any arms after YV. That's been expensive but Theo has the same philosophy, produce your own bats and sign pitching. Three guys we traded (Manaea, Finnegan, Reed) had FIPs of 4, 5, and 6 last year. Would they even help us much this year had we kept any?
Cole Hammel, eh?
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Steamer likes Manaea (9-10 4.02 ERA)

Maybe he'd help us but I think Vargas can do something similar if he's healthy.
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Should Dayton play Wang or get Wood?
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I really thought they were done before the Wood signing. I like the addition both for rotation depth and for bullpen depth.

He and Vargas are a little similar - but Wood does have more upside.

He's very different stylistically than Duffy, so I don't worry about too much reputation there, but I would definitely want someone slotted between Vargas and Wood.

Duffy
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Looks an awful lot like one potential ToR guy, two solid mid-rotation guys, and three back-end starters. With the loser of the final three spots being slotted to the bullpen.


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Granted none of this was by design (more necessity than anything), but there's a noticeable lack of ceiling in these moves. Hammel, Wood, Maness - even if they work, they're back of the rotation, deep in your bullpen sort of guys.

Because I think most anyone will acknowledge that Hammel was more realistically a 4.00ish ERA pitcher over the last 2 years in Chicago and his arm woes are getting a little more stark. Moreover, he runs out of gas pretty hard in August. The switch to the AL could also easily add another half run to his ERA. If you start from a baseline FIP of around 4.00, add a quarter point to it due to age/injury and another half point due to the switch to the AL, suddenly you're looking at a guy that's pushing around a 5 ERA. Combine that with his second half woes and what's he do for you in October?

The consensus seems to be that Moore is pushing his chips in for one last October run....but to what purpose? Who takes the ball in Game 2? Are they saving bullets in Strahm to transition him to the rotation August? If so, good luck getting through the 8th. Wood is a nice relief arm and a tolerable 4th/5th starter but if he's in your rotation, there's nothing in his history to suggest that you'll be happy giving him the ball in the post-season. Ian Kennedy is a .500 pitcher on a .500 team. Put him on a bad team he'll have a bad record, put him on a good team, he'll have a good record. He's the Alex Smith of starting pitchers; exactly as good as the team around him. He's pretty much your unquestioned #2 but many playoff rotations are sporting that kind of guy in their 4 spot. He just seems mis-cast as a guy that may need to steal you a game in October.

And the system has thinned out enough that there's just not another Zobrist or Cueto trade to be made (and realistically, a deep October push would need both).

This kinda looks like the "Soft Landing" plan. He knows that '18 may end in a thud so rather than just pull the plug, he's trying to get another year where there's meaningful baseball in September and maybe even a nice wild card push, but I just don't see the components needed for a real October run. If he has that one last year of 85-88 wins, perhaps the painful process of rebuilding is a little more palatable than doing so coming off a largely disappointing 81 win title defense.
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