If the Chiefs go 8-8 or better 49ers get a 2nd round pick.

[ShowtimeSBMVP]

A third- or second-rounder from Kansas City, the remnant of the Alex Smith deal. Now it can be told: The second draft choice San Francisco will receive from the Smith deal will be K.C.'s second-rounder in 2014 if the Chiefs go 8-8 or better this season. It will be a third-rounder in 2014 if Kansas City is under .500 this season.

So: San Francisco will probably have first-, second- and four third-rounders next year. But if the Chiefs surprise, it'll more likely be a one, two twos and three threes. As we've seen, GM Trent Baalke is dangerous with extra picks in his hands. If Colin Kaepernick is very good, the Niners should be annual contenders for years with the picks laid out that way.

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[Tiger's Fan]

Originally Posted by Mac-NinersChiefs

No way to say this without it seeming an insult... it isn't really meaning to.. but THAT is the cowardly mindset. You have to throw yourself into most things in life, and be willing to accept the potential disappointment that may follow.

You niner fans have NO idea of this franchises QB acquisition method. We, the fanbase, have seen the same method used for decades now, while your franchise drafts QB's with regularity. Don't try shoveling your shit around here after the niners drafted a bust at 1.1, acknowledge the mistake and draft another to take his place, then pawn said trash off on us.

You know not of what you speak, so you basically offer nothing in way of opinion here. What you're doing is trolling, and not very well. There are enough so called Chiefs fans here trolling as it is. And the ones that aren't intentionally trolling are just ****ing stupid. Maybe you can turn them into niner fans and take them with you. They don't seem to be too interested in the Chiefs winning Super Bowls any time soon anyway.

[BigCatDaddy]

Originally Posted by patteeu

No, it's the entire NFL. I just used the Chiefs' picks as recognizable examples. It's ok that you don't like the choice of Alex Smith, but your concern over the price paid for him, as if that's your main point of contention, is nonsense.

No, it's not nonsense and I pointed out why.

[patteeu]

Originally Posted by BigCatDaddy

I think my biggest beef is those picks could be used as ammo if we want to move up in the 1st next year for our QBOTF, more so than the players we lose at those picks.

We should have just offered up the 2nd this year and if they get a better offer just go get Kolb as a stop gap for a 5th. There is little difference between Kolb and Alice and Kolb knows Reids system.

Your real problem seems to be with Andy Reid. If Reid saw little difference between Kolb and Alex Smith, Kolb would be in Kansas City now. Either you or the guy who coached Kolb is wrong. No offense, but my confidence is in Kolb's former coach.

[Sandy Vagina]

Originally Posted by KC Tattoo

SHUT THE **** UP. IM NOT THE COWARD WHO PASSES ON PROSPECT QUARTERBACKS IN THE DRAFT.


**** OFF NO ONE WANTS YOU HERE.

Originally Posted by Buster Hymen

You niner fans have NO idea of this franchises QB acquisition method. We, the fanbase, have seen the same method used for decades now, while your franchise drafts QB's with regularity. Don't try shoveling your shit around here after the niners drafted a bust at 1.1, acknowledge the mistake and draft another to take his place, then pawn said trash off on us.

You know not of what you speak, so you basically offer nothing in way of opinion here. What you're doing is trolling, and not very well. There are enough so called Chiefs fans here trolling as it is. And the ones that aren't intentionally trolling are just ****ing stupid. Maybe you can turn them into niner fans and take them with you. They don't seem to be too interested in the Chiefs winning Super Bowls any time soon anyway.

I am offering opinions. They just don't happen to be opinions that you and several others wish to read. I really am not intending on being a troll. I am willing to have civil discussion with anyone and offer up my opinions. I just don't respond well to people being nasty and miserable... so they get what they give.

Deep down, any fan of any team that lowers expectations based on fear of potential disappointment really needs to think more on that. Deep down, I think most will admit (at least to themselves) that this mentality IS the coward's way out. This is true for more than just some team sport.

That's just my opinion... and no, I don't feel rejection when people can't take that to heart and can only respond with defensive hostility.

GO CHIEFS!!!

[Coogs]

Originally Posted by KC Tattoo

I'd rather be pleasantly surprised than have expectations squashed and heart step on another year.

Don't get me wrong. I am not penciling us in for a Super Bowl run and anything less than that is unacceptable. I'd rather be pleasantly surprised in that regard too. I'm just not going to concede the season before I see us play.

[duncan_idaho]

Originally Posted by patteeu

No, it's the entire NFL. I just used the Chiefs' picks as recognizable examples. It's ok that you don't like the choice of Alex Smith, but your concern over the price paid for him, as if that's your main point of contention, is nonsense.

You want to talk about nonsense? Pooh-poohing the value of second-round picks because the failure rate is not insignificant. Yeah, a lot of second-round picks fail. A higher percentage than first-round picks. But a lot succeed, too. You still have a better chance of acquiring good NFL players at that spot than you do lower in the draft.

They have value. Both in the players they can be used to acquire directly and in the flexibility they provide in moving up and down the draft.

My main point of contention is and always has been what they're giving up for him, and what doors it closes.

Anyway, peace out. As someone said, arguing with a DC Lounge-denizen is pointless. Enjoy Ignore Land with Prison Bitch and CoMOChief. Fine company you find yourself in, sir!

[BigCatDaddy]

Originally Posted by patteeu

Your real problem seems to be with Andy Reid. If Reid saw little difference between Kolb and Alex Smith, Kolb would be in Kansas City now. Either you or the guy who coached Kolb is wrong. No offense, but my confidence is in Kolb's former coach.

It's hard to say. Likely the Smith trade was already in place before Kolb and Arizona couldn't reach an agreement and he got released. Or perhaps Andy just wanted to try a different shiny toy.

I really don't expect Alice to have a better season than Kolb this year. Do you?

[Rasputin]

Originally Posted by Mac-NinersChiefs

I am offering opinions. They just don't happen to be opinions that you and several others wish to read. I really am not intending on being a troll. I am willing to have civil discussion with anyone and offer up my opinions. I just don't respond well to people being nasty and miserable... so they get what they give.

Deep down, any fan of any team that lowers expectations based on fear of potential disappointment really needs to think more on that. Deep down, I think most will admit (at least to themselves) that this mentality IS the coward's way out. This is true for more than just some team sport.

That's just my opinion... and no, I don't feel rejection when people can't take that to heart and can only respond with defensive hostility.

GO CHIEFS!!!

You are so full of shit. You have no clue to what you are talking about. Mods should change your name to ASSMACNINERCHIEFFAN as you talk out your ass.


We watch every game every play of the Chiefs. We want to see success but sit through and watch shitty quarterbacks come and go year after year. Why should we build up expectations that this year is different just for Alex Smith? Hmmm?



Is it brave to mindlessly stick your hand in a snake cage and hope not to get bit?

[duncan_idaho]

Originally Posted by Mac-NinersChiefs

I am offering opinions. They just don't happen to be opinions that you and several others wish to read. I really am not intending on being a troll. I am willing to have civil discussion with anyone and offer up my opinions. I just don't respond well to people being nasty and miserable... so they get what they give.

Deep down, any fan of any team that lowers expectations based on fear of potential disappointment really needs to think more on that. Deep down, I think most will admit (at least to themselves) that this mentality IS the coward's way out. This is true for more than just some team sport.

That's just my opinion... and no, I don't feel rejection when people can't take that to heart and can only respond with defensive hostility.

GO CHIEFS!!!

What you fail to understand is that those of us skeptical the "other team's QB garbage" routine will work THIS time is that we have seen it fail multiple times. 3 good years from Trent Green and 1.5 good years from Joe Montana don't exactly make up for the 35 other years in which this method has failed (to result in real playoff success).

It's not retreating due to fear of disappointment. It's refusal to be fooled again. Insisting that we be shown it will work THIS time, that THIS time IS different. It's telling Lucy to f*** off and play with that football by herself.

It's realizing that Albert Einstein was right when he said the definition of insanity was doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results.

[BigCatDaddy]

Originally Posted by Mac-NinersChiefs

I am offering opinions. They just don't happen to be opinions that you and several others wish to read. I really am not intending on being a troll. I am willing to have civil discussion with anyone and offer up my opinions. I just don't respond well to people being nasty and miserable... so they get what they give.

Deep down, any fan of any team that lowers expectations based on fear of potential disappointment really needs to think more on that. Deep down, I think most will admit (at least to themselves) that this mentality IS the coward's way out. This is true for more than just some team sport.

That's just my opinion... and no, I don't feel rejection when people can't take that to heart and can only respond with defensive hostility.

GO CHIEFS!!!

What about fans that have low expectations because their team traded for a proven shitty QB?

[Rasputin]

Originally Posted by duncan_idaho

What you fail to understand is that those of us skeptical the "other team's QB garbage" routine will work THIS time is that we have seen it fail multiple times. 3 good years from Trent Green and 1.5 good years from Joe Montana don't exactly make up for the 35 other years in which this method has failed (to result in real playoff success).

It's not retreating due to fear of disappointment. It's refusal to be fooled again. Insisting that we be shown it will work THIS time, that THIS time IS different. It's telling Lucy to f*** off and play with that football by herself.

It's realizing that Albert Einstein was right when he said the definition of insanity was doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results.

BINGO

BINGO!!!!!

BINGO!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Sandy Vagina]

Originally Posted by duncan_idaho

It's refusal to be fooled again.

Don't you see that to be weak... as a fan?

Think about it in another way. Fred has a girlfriend/wife he loves and adores. She breaks his heart by cheating on him and leaving him for his best friend. Fred mourns for years and each year, swears that he will never love and trust again.

Fred keeps his vow. Fred is now 90 years old... alone... and still miserable.

[Tiger's Fan]

Originally Posted by Mac-NinersChiefs

Don't you see that to be weak... as a fan?

Think about it in another way. Fred has a girlfriend/wife he loves and adores. She breaks his heart by cheating on him and leaving him for his best friend. Fred mourns for years and each year, swears that he will never love and trust again.

Fred keeps his vow. Fred is now 90 years old... alone... and still miserable.

Did Fred have 15 women cheat on him?

You're an idiot with no understanding of the situation. Keep bangin that drum though, if it makes you feel better.

[patteeu]

Originally Posted by duncan_idaho

You want to talk about nonsense? Pooh-poohing the value of second-round picks because the failure rate is not insignificant. Yeah, a lot of second-round picks fail. A higher percentage than first-round picks. But a lot succeed, too. You still have a better chance of acquiring good NFL players at that spot than you do lower in the draft.

They have value. Both in the players they can be used to acquire directly and in the flexibility they provide in moving up and down the draft.

My main point of contention is and always has been what they're giving up for him, and what doors it closes.

Anyway, peace out. As someone said, arguing with a DC Lounge-denizen is pointless. Enjoy Ignore Land with Prison Bitch and CoMOChief. Fine company you find yourself in, sir!

Yes, of course second round picks have some value. Not as much value as a franchise QB though and that's clearly what Reid/Dorsey think they're getting here. I wish you the best in your retreat from the stress of conflict. Take care.

[Rasputin]

Originally Posted by Coogs

Don't get me wrong. I am not penciling us in for a Super Bowl run and anything less than that is unacceptable. I'd rather be pleasantly surprised in that regard too. I'm just not going to concede the season before I see us play.

I'm looking forward to watching several of the Chiefs players so I'm not conceding the season yet just not building expectations for playoff victories just yet. They have a lot to prove and I want to see them prove it to me early on.