Chiefs Albert not going anywhere.

keg in kc · 05-01-2013, 06:58 PM

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Originally Posted by BigRedChief

I know its not what we all wanted but we picked a bad year to suck worse than anyone else.

A better O-line is better for the team. We didn't really need one of the top DE's or CB's. We wern't picking a QB. It is what it is.

That "it's a bad year" thing is just a convenient excuse for a permanent team philosophy. This franchise will never select a high round quarterback. Ever. It doesn't matter what year it is, where they pick or what's available in the draft or who the GM and coach is at the time. I's something that trickles down from the very top. Quarterback for this franchise is a complementary position, and all they have ever wanted is "good enough". The only way they will ever have "one of the best" is if it's a freak occurrence like Tyler Bray slipping into UDFA territory and getting a brain transplant. Because all they care about are finding bargains. It's like they have a pathological obsession with doing it another way, finding some diamond in the rough, pulling somebody off the scrap heap, turning some backup into a star so they can show the rest of the league how smart they are.

And when it finally happens, and they finally find a franchise QB despite themselves, all the fans who blindly follow along cheering every move they make will shout "see! we told you it would work!" utterly disregarding the 3247 times before that it didn't. Maybe that time will be Alex Smith. Maybe it will be Tyler Bray. Maybe it will be somebody 27 years from now. Who knows.

What I know is that there aren't really right ways and wrong ways so much as there are easy ways and hard ways. And this franchise and by extension much of its fanbase seems pathological about making it as difficult for themselves as humanly possible. Who cares that the league is about passing now, who cares that time-after-time and year-after-year quarterbacks are making a bigger difference, let's keep beating that free agent backup game manager drum. Let's get as big an offensive line as we can and build around running game and (castrated) defense. It will work! Eventually!

**BigRedChief** · 05-01-2013, 07:09 PM

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Originally Posted by keg in kc

That "it's a bad year" thing is just a convenient excuse for a permanent team philosophy.

It was a bad year to have the #1 pick. Worse one in decades. That was not an "excuse". It was a fact.

keg in kc · 05-01-2013, 07:11 PM

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Originally Posted by BigRedChief

It was a bad year to have the #1 pick. Worse one in decades. That was not an "excuse". It was a fact.

And I'm saying that was extremely convenient for them. They were very fortunate things went that way, because they weren't forced to do something they don't ever want to do.

**The Bad Guy** · 05-01-2013, 07:17 PM

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Originally Posted by keg in kc

And I'm saying that was extremely convenient for them. They were very fortunate things went that way, because they weren't forced to do something they don't ever want to do.

That's ridiculous.

Yes, I'm sure this FO is happy they didn't have to make the decision to draft Andrew Luck.

C'mon now.

keg in kc · 05-01-2013, 07:26 PM

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Originally Posted by The Bad Guy

That's ridiculous.

Yes, I'm sure this FO is happy they didn't have to make the decision to draft Andrew Luck.

C'mon now.

Call it ridiculous if you want, but I'm not convinced they would've taken Andrew Luck. I said this months ago, way back when everyone was projecting multiple QBs in the first round. Which was also happening the week before the draft, remember - people enjoy pointing and laugh at the drafurbaters, but reality is that the great majority of the mocks out there had multiple QBs going in the first round, and rarely was EJ Manual one of them. So literally everyone was wrong in their projections about this class. Although that's beside the point, really. I believe their philosophy this offseason, regardless of who was available in the draft, would have been making a decision to trade for Alex Smith in January, and then the QB position is off the table for the draft. I said this the second the earliest rumors about Smith came out. I said this again when the trade was official. He was always going to be their guy. There was zero chance they were taking a QB in this class.

Of course I was using hyperbole in my earlier post. Because of course they wish there'd been an Andrew Luck in the draft. They'd have been able to trade the pick that way.

Lex Luthor · 05-01-2013, 07:56 PM

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Originally Posted by keg in kc

That "it's a bad year" thing is just a convenient excuse for a permanent team philosophy. This franchise will never select a high round quarterback. Ever.

I get so ****ing tired of hearing this bullshit. Dorsey and Reid have had one ****ing draft, and there were no ****ing quarterbacks that were good enough to take with the overall #1 pick. Get over it.

You simply cannot blame Reid and Dorsey for 30 years of Chiefs failures. They weren't here. If you insist that Reid and Dorsey will NEVER draft a high quarterback, you're talking out of your ass. YOU DON'T KNOW.

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Originally Posted by keg in kc

Call it ridiculous if you want, but I'm not convinced they would've taken Andrew Luck.
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Of course I was using hyperbole in my earlier post. Because of course they wish there'd been an Andrew Luck in the draft. They'd have been able to trade the pick that way.

Quit being such a whiny bitch. They didn't take Geno. Get the **** over it.

**Mr. Kotter** · 05-01-2013, 07:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Brainiac

I get so ****ing tired of hearing this bullshit. Dorsey and Reid have had one ****ing draft, and there were no ****ing quarterbacks that were good enough to take with the overall #1 pick. Get over it.

You simply cannot blame Reid and Dorsey for 30 years of Chiefs failures. They weren't here. If you insist that Reid and Dorsey will NEVER draft a high quarterback, you're talking out of your ass. YOU DON'T KNOW.

Quit being such a whiny bitch. They didn't take Geno. Get the **** over it.

Amen, brother....er, eh....brutha?

**the Talking Can** · 05-01-2013, 08:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Brainiac

I get so ****ing tired of hearing this bullshit. Dorsey and Reid have had one ****ing draft, and there were no ****ing quarterbacks that were good enough to take with the overall #1 pick. Get over it.

You simply cannot blame Reid and Dorsey for 30 years of Chiefs failures. They weren't here. If you insist that Reid and Dorsey will NEVER draft a high quarterback, you're talking out of your ass. YOU DON'T KNOW.

Quit being such a whiny bitch. They didn't take Geno. Get the **** over it.

a QB who was benched last year was good enough for the Chiefs to spend two seconds on?

but no QB in this draft was good enough for the 2-14 Chiefs?

at least this fanbase gets what they deserve...nothing

Cannibal · 05-01-2013, 08:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Brainiac

I get so ****ing tired of hearing this bullshit. Dorsey and Reid have had one ****ing draft, and there were no ****ing quarterbacks that were good enough to take with the overall #1 pick. Get over it.

You simply cannot blame Reid and Dorsey for 30 years of Chiefs failures. They weren't here. If you insist that Reid and Dorsey will NEVER draft a high quarterback, you're talking out of your ass. YOU DON'T KNOW.

Quit being such a whiny bitch. They didn't take Geno. Get the **** over it.

This.

**The Bad Guy** · 05-01-2013, 08:46 PM

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Originally Posted by keg in kc

Call it ridiculous if you want, but I'm not convinced they would've taken Andrew Luck. I said this months ago, way back when everyone was projecting multiple QBs in the first round. Which was also happening the week before the draft, remember - people enjoy pointing and laugh at the drafurbaters, but reality is that the great majority of the mocks out there had multiple QBs going in the first round, and rarely was EJ Manual one of them. So literally everyone was wrong in their projections about this class. Although that's beside the point, really. I believe their philosophy this offseason, regardless of who was available in the draft, would have been making a decision to trade for Alex Smith in January, and then the QB position is off the table for the draft. I said this the second the earliest rumors about Smith came out. I said this again when the trade was official. He was always going to be their guy. There was zero chance they were taking a QB in this class.

Of course I was using hyperbole in my earlier post. Because of course they wish there'd been an Andrew Luck in the draft. They'd have been able to trade the pick that way.

Wow. Just wow.

So you think a coach who drafted Donovan McNabb 2nd overall and a guy like Dorsey who comes from a franchise that invested a first round pick in Aaron Rodgers is going to pass on drafting someone like Andrew Luck if he was there?

I just really can't get behind that rationale. It's absurd frankly. The failures of 2 previous GMs (one of which who said he never wanted to draft a QB and would always go with the veteran, and another who thought he could catch lighting in a bottle twice with low round QBs) are being lumped in with guys who have drafted QBs high and had success doing it.

To say they'd want an Andrew Luck here just to trade the pick is complete hyperbole.

Andy Reid/Dorsey have been Chiefs for 4 months. The trade for Alex Smith was more of a reflection on what they thought about this QB class more than anything. If they were all in on him, they'd have given him an extension much like Pioli did without merit.

**AustinChief** · 05-01-2013, 08:52 PM

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Originally Posted by The Bad Guy

Wow. Just wow.

So you think a coach who drafted Donovan McNabb 2nd overall and a guy like Dorsey who comes from a franchise that invested a first round pick in Aaron Rodgers is going to pass on drafting someone like Andrew Luck if he was there?

I just really can't get behind that rationale. It's absurd frankly. The failures of 2 previous GMs (one of which who said he never wanted to draft a QB and would always go with the veteran, and another who thought he could catch lighting in a bottle twice with low round QBs) are being lumped in with guys who have drafted QBs high and had success doing it.

To say they'd want an Andrew Luck here just to trade the pick is complete hyperbole.

Andy Reid/Dorsey have been Chiefs for 4 months. The trade for Alex Smith was more of a reflection on what they thought about this QB class more than anything. If they were all in on him, they'd have given him an extension much like ***** did without merit.

Battered Fan Syndrome. Too many fans have been abused for so long that they fall into the trap of thinking every person involved with the Chiefs is going to abuse them even if they are brand new and there is no reason to think that way. It's irrational but completely understandable.

keg in kc · 05-01-2013, 09:04 PM

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Originally Posted by The Bad Guy

Andy Reid/Dorsey have been Chiefs for 4 months. The trade for Alex Smith was more of a reflection on what they thought about this QB class more than anything. If they were all in on him, they'd have given him an extension much like ***** did without merit.

I just disagree. I think the decision on Alex Smith was made in January, on the very first day that Clark met with Reid, before Reid even knew anything about any of the names in this draft class (at any position). I think that's the only guy that Reid's wanted all along, the known quantity and the guy he, for whatever reason, believes he can win with immediately. Because I think he, as a veteran coach whose prior team was on a steady decline, cares much more about the short term than the long. I believe that trade would have been made regardless of the quality of this draft class, or the QBs in it, and I don't think the fact that Smith hasn't been extended means anything, because he's not under a single-year contract. I believe that the true indicator of his value in the team's eyes lies in the insane compensation that they dealt to get him.

And this is not in any way, shape or form about Geno Smith. I never expected the Chiefs to draft him, and I was never upset that they didn't, nor do I care that the guy fell. He's just another name as far as this conversation goes. It's not about him. It's about Alex Smith, and how I believe the present and future of this team at quarterback is being built, and most likely will continue to be built. HE was their draft pick at quarterback. Dorsey has said as much (literally, at the draft party during the first round). And I don't believe that anything would have changed that, including the presence of Andrew Luck, or RG3, or Matt Stafford, or Matt Ryan, or any other player you care to name. Because I don't believe that this franchise is willing, philosophically-speaking, to go that route. Because while I think they might, in ensuing years, pull the trigger on mid- to low-round quarterbacks as developmental prospects, I believe that they want a veteran as a starter, and that precludes the selection of anyone at the position on day 1 and likely even day 2.

Just my opinion. Don't think you're stupid if you disagree, and you might be right. I certainly don't work at Arrowhead, so I'm just making a guess.

Cannibal · 05-01-2013, 10:02 PM

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Originally Posted by The Bad Guy

Wow. Just wow.

So you think a coach who drafted Donovan McNabb 2nd overall and a guy like Dorsey who comes from a franchise that invested a first round pick in Aaron Rodgers is going to pass on drafting someone like Andrew Luck if he was there?

I just really can't get behind that rationale. It's absurd frankly. The failures of 2 previous GMs (one of which who said he never wanted to draft a QB and would always go with the veteran, and another who thought he could catch lighting in a bottle twice with low round QBs) are being lumped in with guys who have drafted QBs high and had success doing it.

To say they'd want an Andrew Luck here just to trade the pick is complete hyperbole.

Andy Reid/Dorsey have been Chiefs for 4 months. The trade for Alex Smith was more of a reflection on what they thought about this QB class more than anything. If they were all in on him, they'd have given him an extension much like ***** did without merit.

You're absolutely correct here.

tk13 · 05-01-2013, 07:35 PM

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Originally Posted by keg in kc

And I'm saying that was extremely convenient for them. They were very fortunate things went that way, because they weren't forced to do something they don't ever want to do.

You've gone too far the other way. You really think Andy Reid would not draft Andrew Luck? Or Griffin? Or Stafford? Etc.

Maybe history will prove it so, but at this point it's safe to say the jury is out. This wasn't like 2009 where Pioli had his head up his rear while other teams made moves to get QBs in that class. It's fairly clear at this point that this entire QB class was very poorly rated not just by the Chiefs, but every team.

And there's no doubt someone from this class will probably have success. But it wasn't like the Chiefs were sitting over in la-la land like they usually are.

What will happen is the exact opposite of what you claimed, someone will be good and everybody will rip the Chiefs for not taking them.

**Mr. Kotter** · 05-01-2013, 07:50 PM

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Originally Posted by keg in kc

That "it's a bad year" thing is just a convenient excuse for a permanent team philosophy. This franchise will never select a high round quarterback. Ever. It doesn't matter what year it is, where they pick or what's available in the draft or who the GM and coach is at the time. I's something that trickles down from the very top. Quarterback for this franchise is a complementary position, and all they have ever wanted is "good enough"....

Bet, keg....right now....Chiefs WILL draft a 1st Round QB in the next 3-4 years, if Dorsey and Reid are still around.

Loser, wears a dress for a day?