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Old 02-26-2014, 10:30 AM  
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Jaws wouldn't take Manziel until the 4th
Ron Jaworski: I wouldn’t take Manziel in first three rounds
Posted by Josh Alper on February 26, 2014, 6:56 AM EST

Most of the discussion regarding Texas A&M quarterback Johnny Manziel’s football future has centered on whether he will go in the first three picks.

Former NFL quarterback and current ESPN analyst Ron Jaworski is taking a contrarian view. During an interview on 97.5 The Fanatic in Philadelphia, Jaworski was asked about the Eagles meeting with Manziel at the combine and said he liked the idea because it is a way of stockpiling information on a player you’re likely to play against at some point.

As for the idea of taking Manziel? Jaws isn’t so keen on that for the Eagles or anyone else in the league.

“I’m a big believer in Nick Foles, but who knows?” Jaworski said. “Manziel may fall. I’m not crazy about him, to be honest with you. I’ve only looked at five games. I wouldn’t take him in the first three rounds. That’s my opinion. It’s incomplete right now. But he has not done a whole lot to me.”

Jaworski has always taken strong opinions about quarterbacks and they don’t always follow the orthodoxy, so it’s probably fair to say that he doesn’t mind being an outlier on this front. Still, it would be perhaps the greatest shocker in the history of the draft if Manziel were available on even the second day of this year’s draft
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Old 02-26-2014, 01:56 PM   #46
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I don't get the hate for Tebow. By all accounts he seems to work hard. His improvement from year to year (as far as pocket comfort, throwing accuracy/strength) was phenomenal. He likes having fun but as long as he's focused on helping the team on the field I don't care what he does outside of it provided he doesn't get suspended for it.

He's not a role model. He's a player.

My main worry with him is staying healthy. He has the skills.
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Old 02-26-2014, 01:57 PM   #47
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It's not about learning, it's about changing

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Athletes adjust all the time. He's already worked at becoming a better pocket passer and continues to do so. It paid off.
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Old 02-26-2014, 01:58 PM   #48
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Tebow had no throwing talent. He was Jordan Lynch at a big school.
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why not?
I'm not trying to flame; genuinely curious.
McCarron at best will be Cassel in his career. Manziel could end up a bust, but he could also be Russell Wilson or Brees. I'll take boom or bust over mediocrity at best.
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Manziel, for my money, is the best QB in this draft, and should go #1 overall.
Your money sucks. In no way is Manziel the best QB in this draft. Most athletic maybe, but not the best QB.
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Old 02-26-2014, 02:23 PM   #51
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Yep. He makes statements like this because if he's right he can go back and pat himself on the back. If he's wrong? No one will remember.
He makes statements like that because that is one of the ways the media uses to generate "news".
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Old 02-26-2014, 02:25 PM   #52
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He makes statements like that because that is one of the ways the media uses to generate "news".
Yup. I remember somebody posting this deadspin article awhile back.

http://deadspin.com/how-espn-manufac...ion-1185400028
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Old 02-26-2014, 02:26 PM   #53
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He has the benefit of having played with how many 1st round (or projected 1st round) offensive teammates while at TAMU?

Joeckel, Matthews, Evans, Ogbuehi. Michael could have been if RB were still a valued draft position. Then a guy like Swope got drafted in a late round. All I'm saying is, he's a decent QB that was surrounded by a lot of talent both at skilled and nonskilled positions. He has had plenty of opportunity to be good while at TAMU.

The balance of talent gets evened out at the next level.
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He has the benefit of having played with how many 1st round (or projected 1st round) offensive teammates while at TAMU?

Joeckel, Matthews, Evans, Ogbuehi. Michael could have been if RB were still a valued draft position. Then a guy like Swope got drafted in a late round. All I'm saying is, he's a decent QB that was surrounded by a lot of talent both at skilled and nonskilled positions. He has had plenty of opportunity to be good while at TAMU.

The balance of talent gets evened out at the next level.
Michael barely played Johnny's freshman year.

One of his primary targets this you was Travis Labhart who was a walk-on that previously practiced against the women's basketball team. Kennedy and Walker are also not NFL prospects. Evans was the only one.

He did have some nice O-line talent though.
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I don't get the hate for Tebow. By all accounts he seems to work hard. His improvement from year to year (as far as pocket comfort, throwing accuracy/strength) was phenomenal. He likes having fun but as long as he's focused on helping the team on the field I don't care what he does outside of it provided he doesn't get suspended for it.

He's not a role model. He's a player.

My main worry with him is staying healthy. He has the skills.
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The only thing comparable in that statement between Tebow and Manziel is that they both seem to work hard (and I guess the role model part).
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Yup. I remember somebody posting this deadspin article awhile back.

http://deadspin.com/how-espn-manufac...ion-1185400028
It is currently getting attention on every TV sports show airing at this bar, which just reinforces the theory.
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Michael barely played Johnny's freshman year.

One of his primary targets this you was Travis Labhart who was a walk-on that previously practiced against the women's basketball team. Kennedy and Walker are also not NFL prospects. Evans was the only one.

He did have some nice O-line talent though.
I think he's better than the 4th round grade Jaws hung on him, but I don't know that I would turn the keys over to him if I were drafting high in the 1st either. I think he'll be a starter eventually, but I'm not super high on him.

The talent on his line could afford him the chance to throw to the women's basketball team if needed. I just think the change in scenery will be a rude awakening for him.
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I think he's better than the 4th round grade Jaws hung on him, but I don't know that I would turn the keys over to him if I were drafting high in the 1st either. I think he'll be a starter eventually, but I'm not super high on him.

The talent on his line could afford him the chance to throw to the women's basketball team if needed. I just think the change in scenery will be a rude awakening for him.
Im a homer, obviously, but I just think his floor is much higher than he's given credit for. At worst he's Jeff Garcia. Im not sure what his ceiling is, but I think he can surprise a few folks.
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Im a homer, obviously, but I just think his floor is much higher than he's given credit for. At worst he's Jeff Garcia. Im not sure what his ceiling is, but I think he can surprise a few folks.


At worst, he's a 4 time Pro Bowler?
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