The case for Nick Foles

[O.city]

Kelly pretty much just put the Foles stuff to rest at the presser, so I think we can move on from that.



If you take him at his word of course.

[Sweet Daddy Hate]

Originally Posted by O.city

Kelly pretty much just put the Foles stuff to rest at the presser, so I think we can move on from that.



If you take him at his word of course.

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[B14ckmon]

Originally Posted by O.city

Kelly pretty much just put the Foles stuff to rest at the presser, so I think we can move on from that.



If you take him at his word of course.

No he didn't. He just knows how to raise a player's trade value.

[Frosty]

Where are these accuracy issues coming from? Foles' senior year, he had a 69.1% completion percentage with 7.7 ypa (Geno was 71.2% with 8.1 ypa with much better weapons on offense, just for comparison's sake). Foles was on a horrible team with only one decent weapon on offense and nothing else. To make matters worse, his head coach got fired mid-season so he also had to deal with a coaching shake-up.

With the Eagles, he also had to deal with no o-line and a revolving door at WR, as well as McCoy being injured a big part of the second half of the season. He had no real time to get the timing down with them. Remember how bad TrINT looked his first year when we had terrible receivers that he was just getting to know?

I suspect 99% of the people bashing him never saw a single game of his in college and are pulling shit out of their ass to pump up their QB du jour.

I don't know if he will end up being a great QB or not, but it would be nice if the talk was a little more realistic.

[htismaqe]

Originally Posted by Frosty

Where are these accuracy issues coming from? Foles' senior year, he had a 69.1% completion percentage with 7.7 ypa (Geno was 71.2% with 8.1 ypa with much better weapons on offense, just for comparison's sake). Foles was on a horrible team with only one decent weapon on offense and nothing else. To make matters worse, his head coach got fired mid-season so he also had to deal with a coaching shake-up.

With the Eagles, he also had to deal with no o-line and a revolving door at WR, as well as McCoy being injured a big part of the second half of the season. He had no real time to get the timing down with them. Remember how bad TrINT looked his first year when we had terrible receivers that he was just getting to know?

I suspect 99% of the people bashing him never saw a single game of his in college and are pulling shit out of their ass to pump up their QB du jour.

I don't know if he will end up being a great QB or not, but it would be nice if the talk was a little more realistic.

Nobody is bashing him. He's not an elite QB prospect. He just isn't.

[Frosty]

Originally Posted by htismaqe

Nobody is bashing him. He's not an elite QB prospect. He just isn't.

Probably not.

However, there were a ton of posts just last page talking about how inaccurate he is, which was the point of my post. I watched him a ton in college and never saw that.

[htismaqe]

Originally Posted by Frosty

Probably not.

However, there were a ton of posts just last page talking about how inaccurate he is, which was the point of my post. I watched him a ton in college and never saw that.

He doesn't have elite accuracy. He's very hit and miss outside of 15 yards.

Like I said, he's a solid C+/B- kind of guy. His upside is probably B/B+ at best.

We need to be shooting for an A.

[Frosty]

Originally Posted by htismaqe

He doesn't have elite accuracy. He's very hit and miss outside of 15 yards.

Like I said, he's a solid C+/B- kind of guy. His upside is probably B/B+ at best.

We need to be shooting for an A.

That's fine; I want someone like that too.


Just curious. Where do you rank Dalton and Ryan. B range?

[ChiefAshhole20]

You don't get Foles because he is a franchise QB, you get Foles because out of all the available options, Foles knows Reid's offense the freshest, and is the cheapest out of all of them. You use him for one year to see how he progresses with actual weapons and O-line, and also allow him to teach up and help Geno transition into the pros and Andy's system. We know that Andy already likes him since he did just pick him last year, and would you find a single player in this draft in the 3rd or 4th round that would impact the team like a young scheme-familiar QB would? Trade him for a 3/4th pick, let him get a shot this year for a few games so you dont throw your new franchise QB to the wolves, and see if you have someone that could be a quality backup or potential trade bait in the future once Geno develops.

[htismaqe]

Originally Posted by ChiefAshhole20

You don't get Foles because he is a franchise QB, you get Foles because out of all the available options, Foles knows Reid's offense the freshest, and is the cheapest out of all of them. You use him for one year to see how he progresses with actual weapons and O-line, and also allow him to teach up and help Geno transition into the pros and Andy's system. We know that Andy already likes him since he did just pick him last year, and would you find a single player in this draft in the 3rd or 4th round that would impact the team like a young scheme-familiar QB would? Trade him for a 3/4th pick, let him get a shot this year for a few games so you dont throw your new franchise QB to the wolves, and see if you have someone that could be a quality backup or potential trade bait in the future once Geno develops.

They're not getting Foles AND Geno.

[ChiefAshhole20]

Originally Posted by htismaqe

They're not getting Foles AND Geno.

Why wouldn't they?

[htismaqe]

Originally Posted by ChiefAshhole20

Why wouldn't they?

Because you don't acquire a young kid with upside in Foles to sit him on the bench.

You backup a rookie with a vet.

[ChiefAshhole20]

Originally Posted by htismaqe

Because you don't acquire a young kid with upside in Foles to sit him on the bench.

You backup a rookie with a vet.

Initially you aren't sitting him, you give him the starting job off the bat and let him run with it. There is zero reason to rush Geno to play, let him sit and learn the same as Rodgers did. Lets say Foles dominates with his playing time, now you have two young quality QBs to work with and Andy is known for trading off his QBs that he developed for draft picks (See Kolb and Feeley). I just don't see any reason not to do this, especially with the price of Foles' contract that he would bring, there isn't a QB in the entire market that can come here that cheap.