Have you ever used steroids, HGH, etc.?

[Saul Good]

Just curious to see who uses or has used these types of products and what your experiences were.

Did you have a specific reason for using them?

Did they work?

Did you experience any side effects?

[loochy]

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

I'm taking about overweight, fat guys aged 35-50

its shorter to just say "chiefsplanet"

[Carlota69]

Originally Posted by TheGuardian

Most definitely. While I think there is a push for men to be "Sexier" or more fit, I see tons of women that are hot, take care of themselves, etc with slob ugly dudes.

It has nothing to do with his wallet or the size of his junk either (that never made sense to me, what'd he do just walk up and pull it out, and she swooned?)

Generally a lot of women settle in the looks department because well, there aren't a lot of attractive guys out there to choose from. The ones that are, are generally either already taken, or like to "run around" a lot. So a woman who has experienced this leaves with a lot of bitterness in regards to being with good looking men.

So they settle. So the chubby ugly guy can still get a hot chic, if his game is pretty good, i.e. good sense of humor, makes her feel comfortable, she finds him interesting, etc.

So the guys don't have the same pressure from a looks standpoint that women do. Women are expected to be beautiful, and this is what their attention from men gets based around. That and that alone, at least in getting early attention. Where a woman is more open to giving a guy a chance, even if he doesn't quite meet her standards in the look department.

Exactly.

[DaneMcCloud]

Originally Posted by loochy

its shorter to just say "chiefsplanet"

[Carlota69]

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

You know, I'm not picking on you but this statement bothers me.

If you think that the average 35-50 year old fat guy that's earning $50-$60k per year can walk into any bar, night club, beach or swimming pool and pull the hottest woman in the place with ease, your perceptions are completely warped.

If that were the case, the divorce rate would skyrocket 35% overnight because average Joes would be banging all the young hotties.

That is clearly not the case.

If you're talking about millionaires and billionaires, you of all people should know that the rules are different, because those guys won and hence, reap the riches of their success.

He can do it a whole lot easier (or at least it happens wayyyy more often regardless of ease)than some chubby fat chick walking into a bar and pulling some svelt hot dude. Im also not talking about the hottest chick, Im saying society accepts fat guys more than they accept fat chicks. You see it on TV a lot, and I hear it in the conversations of the men around me, including on this very board. "How dare that chick be fat", "OMG she's 150lbs!!! What a cow!!!" yet, a lot of the time, the dude is just as many LBS overweight, belly hanging but thats more acceptable. Also, Sean Connery was 70 when he won that, and no woman has won it over the age of 40 (that I can think of). And while, you call that extreme, it is one of the reasons we believe it to be ok for guys to be less than perfect looks wise, weight wise, then women. Media media media teaches us froma very young age, that looks on a woman are important, while they teach men other things are important. Not saying men dont have pressures because of what society expects from them, but women are expected to be beautiful, and thin, and if they arent, theyre worthless cows.

[Carlota69]

Originally Posted by TheGuardian

Most definitely. While I think there is a push for men to be "Sexier" or more fit, I see tons of women that are hot, take care of themselves, etc with slob ugly dudes.

It has nothing to do with his wallet or the size of his junk either (that never made sense to me, what'd he do just walk up and pull it out, and she swooned?)

Generally a lot of women settle in the looks department because well, there aren't a lot of attractive guys out there to choose from. The ones that are, are generally either already taken, or like to "run around" a lot. So a woman who has experienced this leaves with a lot of bitterness in regards to being with good looking men.

So they settle. So the chubby ugly guy can still get a hot chic, if his game is pretty good, i.e. good sense of humor, makes her feel comfortable, she finds him interesting, etc.

So the guys don't have the same pressure from a looks standpoint that women do. Women are expected to be beautiful, and this is what their attention from men gets based around. That and that alone, at least in getting early attention. Where a woman is more open to giving a guy a chance, even if he doesn't quite meet her standards in the look department.

There's also the thinking that men are more visual and women are more about emotions, personality and bringing home the bacon capabilities. You know the joke, if the girl is hot and serving french fries at McDonalds, the dude doesn't care, he still wants to date her. But the other way around, the girl wouldn't give the guy the time of day cuz she want a man who can provide?

Although, I think women are becoming more and more demanding of the guy being in shape like you said above...

[Silock]

Yeah, it's definitely not all about looks for women. If I walked around shirtless, I don't think I would be able to score many chicks. If I walked around with a crazy high reputation credit card flashed about, I would get a lot more.

[NewChief]

Originally Posted by Silock

Yeah, it's definitely not all about looks for women. If I walked around shirtless, I don't think I would be able to score many chicks. If I walked around with a crazy high reputation credit card flashed about, I would get a lot more.

I bet you could score some dudes if you walked around shirtless, though.

[TheGuardian]

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

Really? Lifting? Wow. Out here, all the yummy mommies are into Pilates, Bikram, spinning, stairs and hiking at places like Griffith Park and Runyon Canyon.

Yeah bro, because you're in a more climate friendly place. I'd imagine that'd be the case. Here, you better lift because come winter time you're going to be inside a gym. I think that's the difference.

Yummy mommies is an awesome phrase tho.

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TheGuardian: I still can't access your blog today.

[Saul Good]

Originally Posted by Silock

I'm in better shape than my wife. It's annoying. She has no gym work ethic. If I want her to really buckle down, I have to make her go with me.

You need to have her start a fitness routine. Every day, have her log her exercises, eating habits, etc. and post it to CP along with several topless photographs of herself standing in front of the mirror. I think you will find that she gets motivated to really look good.

[Silock]

Originally Posted by NewChief

I bet you could score some dudes if you walked around shirtless, though.

[Silock]

Originally Posted by Saul Good

You need to have her start a fitness routine. Every day, have her log her exercises, eating habits, etc. and post it to CP along with several topless photographs of herself standing in front of the mirror. I think you find that she gets motivated to really look good.

LOL

I've tried, believe me. She'll get on it for a few weeks and then just gradually quit.

She does enough that she stays thin. But she's not the athletic-slim body type that I really love (although she easily could be if she'd just stick with it long enough).

The only thing that she ever did consistently was when she had a personal trainer (an older lady, actually in her late 40s) and did pilates. But, that shit is super expensive. Like . . . $300/mo expensive.

[TheGuardian]

Originally Posted by Silock

LOL

I've tried, believe me. She'll get on it for a few weeks and then just gradually quit.

She does enough that she stays thin. But she's not the athletic-slim body type that I really love (although she easily could be if she'd just stick with it long enough).

The only thing that she ever did consistently was when she had a personal trainer (an older lady, actually in her late 40s) and did pilates. But, that shit is super expensive. Like . . . $300/mo expensive.

It's hard to get someone to love something they feel is a chore. Eventually it takes or it doesn't. But the "need" has to be there first, or it eventually has to develop.

[Silock]

Originally Posted by TheGuardian

It's hard to get someone to love something they feel is a chore. Eventually it takes or it doesn't. But the "need" has to be there first, or it eventually has to develop.

Yup. I tried to like running once. Once. I just can't do it. I'm not a runner. I get bored. So, I can see how someone else would get bored of exercise if they aren't passionate about it.

[TheGuardian]

Originally Posted by Silock

Yup. I tried to like running once. Once. I just can't do it. I'm not a runner. I get bored. So, I can see how someone else would get bored of exercise if they aren't passionate about it.

Yes, I've trained lots of women and the ones that ended up loving made great progress. The ones that were doing it because they wanted to get in shape for a wedding or some shit like that, never made the progress they desired to.