Movies and TV The Official "Lost" the series discussion - Page 223

Deberg_1990 · 10-06-2004, 04:29 PM

I figured I would start a thread for this and see what happens....there seemed to be quite a few viewers on the board for this show the past few weeks.....I like the direction the show is taking so far......episode 3 tonight at 7 central on ABC....

Red Brooklyn · 01-22-2009, 01:28 PM

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Originally Posted by keg in kc

I think the question about changing the past will be one of the paramount themes of the season. Remember that the episode started with Faraday in the past. Doing...something in the under-construction orchid station.

And I never expected to see Michelle Rodriguez on the show again, not even as a ghost.

Nor did I!

In regards to changing the past... did you see the Comic-Con video? (I think it's somewhere in this thread actually) In that video Pierre Chang says something about time being a string... sound familiar?!

I think he also says something about a hole in the string... can't recall for sure. I wonder what role a "hole" in the string could play in this whole "you can't change things" idea... I can't wait to find out. This show is so stupid awesome..

**Baby Lee** · 01-22-2009, 01:56 PM

For those who consider Lost too simple and non-convoluted

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foucault%27s_Pendulum

**Buck** · 01-22-2009, 01:57 PM

If you don't like it, then stop ****ing watching it, its that simple.

DMAC · 01-22-2009, 03:00 PM

I enjoyed the show. Weird how people get pissed off about the show like its the Chiefs or something.

Chiefnj2 · 01-22-2009, 03:10 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

Of course they do. I've stated this in detail before in this very thread.
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WRONG

Asked if they know the answers to all the questions they raise on the show right away or sometimes figure it out as they go along, the duo said it was a combination of the two. Lindelof recalled how the entire pilot was put together – including writing, casting and production – in 12 weeks, which didn’t allow much time to come up with any long-term mythology. However, once the series was given a full season order, beyond the initial 12 episode order it received, Cuse said he and Lindelof sat down and discussed, “What the overall mythological underpinnings of the show would be. We quickly landed on the ending, and then constructed this broader road map of other mythological points we’d hit on this story.”

While each season of Lost is mapped out, the duo said you have to, “let the show organically tell us what it’s going to be,” bringing up the character of Ben Linus as an example. Ben was originally only intended for a three episode arc, and Lindelof and Cuse were playing a bit of wait and see as to whether or not he would turn out to be the leader of the Others, based on how things went with the actor playing the part. But once Michael Emerson was cast, “he was so good, we ended up writing eight episodes for that guy,” in Season 2, and then made him a regular. The decision to extend the original Ben storyline, in which he was held captive within the hatch, then had an influence on other storylines – Lindelof said they’d already decided that Michael, forced to help the Others to get Walt back, would kill Ana Lucia and Libby. But by extending Emerson’s time on the show, Michael’s specific task now became to free Ben.

**DaneMcCloud** · 01-22-2009, 03:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Chiefnj2

WRONG

Asked if they know the answers to all the questions they raise on the show right away or sometimes figure it out as they go along, the duo said it was a combination of the two. Lindelof recalled how the entire pilot was put together – including writing, casting and production – in 12 weeks, which didn’t allow much time to come up with any long-term mythology.

Um, excuse me?

A Pilot is MUCH different from a television series. There is absolutely NO REASON to map out a season (much less 5) if you don't know if you're going to be greenlit.

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Originally Posted by Chiefnj2

However, once the series was given a full season order, beyond the initial 12 episode order it received, Cuse said he and Lindelof sat down and discussed, “What the overall mythological underpinnings of the show would be. We quickly landed on the ending, and then constructed this broader road map of other mythological points we’d hit on this story.”

Exactly. Thanks for proving my point.

JFC.

Chiefnj2 · 01-22-2009, 03:23 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

Um, excuse me?

A Pilot is MUCH different from a television series. There is absolutely NO REASON to map out a season (much less 5) if you don't know if you're going to be greenlit.

Exactly. Thanks for proving my point.

JFC.

They admit they figure things out as they go and that Ben was originally only supposed to be in 3 episodes. He's the main character now and has been for a few seasons.

**Anyong Bluth** · 01-22-2009, 03:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Baby Lee

For those who consider Lost too simple and non-convoluted

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foucault%27s_Pendulum

Thanks, gonna pick up a copy and give it a shot.

**Buck** · 01-22-2009, 03:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Chiefnj2

They admit they figure things out as they go and that Ben was originally only supposed to be in 3 episodes. He's the main character now and has been for a few seasons.

While this is true, do you not believe that they had the plan to have a Leader of the Others/Island eventually?

However, I wouldn't classify him as the main Character. Thats still definitely Jack/Locke, don't you think?

keg in kc · 01-22-2009, 03:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Baby Lee

For those who consider Lost too simple and non-convoluted

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foucault%27s_Pendulum

I've read The Name of the Rose, so I might be able to make it through that.

**DaneMcCloud** · 01-22-2009, 03:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Chiefnj2

They admit they figure things out as they go and that Ben was originally only supposed to be in 3 episodes. He's the main character now and has been for a few seasons.

Yeah but you're missing the point: Once the show was greenlit, they knew the ending.

They've always known the beginning, middle and ending. It's just been a matter of viewership (i.e. time) and popularity that determined how detailed their story would become.

If the show had only two seasons, they still knew the ending, they just would have had less time to fill in the back stories.

And yes, sometimes you'll cast an actor that was supposed to be a bit part but he or she is so good that they grow into a primary role. That's not unusual.

keg in kc · 01-22-2009, 03:44 PM

It's not unusual for character changes to go away from the 'plan' of a show. It happened on BSG when they turned Helo into a main character when he was just filler in the mini-series. On Lost, it's happened several times, Ben Linus has been mentioned. Both Mr. Eko and Ana Lucia were supposed to have longer runs on the show but real life issues with Adewale Akinnuoye-Agbaje and Michelle Rodriguez dictated changes. You can't always follow the show's original 'bible' to a tee.

**DaneMcCloud** · 01-22-2009, 11:49 PM

I can't believe that people are just bitching instead of discussing the implications and new found revelations:

1. Dr. Marvin Candle is a fake name. His name is Dr. Chang. He and his wife are raising a caucasian infant. Also, the Dharma "movies" were somewhat scripted.
2. Locke may or may not be dead. "Jeremy Bentham" is a code name.
3. Three years have passed since the Oceanic 6 were rescued.
4. The "Losties" are definitely traveling through time.
5. It took Charles Widmore 20 years to find the island.
6. Ben Linus is lying to someone (again).
7. And of course, time travel is most certainly involved in their plane crash, rescue and imminent return to the island.

That's quite a bit of officially confirmed info.

Otter · 01-23-2009, 01:17 AM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

Wrong.

It wasn't a literal statement as much as a comparison of the two shows becoming convoluted and disliking some of the tangents the writers are taking in its later seasons.

I think the show has passed its prime and is on the sloping side of it's bell curve but is being milked for the cash cow theory much like those last horrible seasons of the Sopranos which was BTW the best series to ever grace a TV set until it was ruined for money sake.

Suck it dry and dammed be its legacy!!!

PS - there's no real bell curve and the cow is a metaphor

**Buck** · 01-23-2009, 12:06 PM

I guess Beauty is in the Eye of the Beholder.

I thought the episode was great.

It blew my mind.

Dane makes some very good points, although is it confirmed that the baby is in fact Caucasian?

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01-22-2009, 03:44 PM	#3342
keg in kc oxymoron Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: OP/KC/Whatever Casino cash: $9556299	It's not unusual for character changes to go away from the 'plan' of a show. It happened on BSG when they turned Helo into a main character when he was just filler in the mini-series. On Lost, it's happened several times, Ben Linus has been mentioned. Both Mr. Eko and Ana Lucia were supposed to have longer runs on the show but real life issues with Adewale Akinnuoye-Agbaje and Michelle Rodriguez dictated changes. You can't always follow the show's original 'bible' to a tee.
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01-22-2009, 11:49 PM	#3343
DaneMcCloud Supporter Join Date: Sep 2000 Location: Hollywood, CA Casino cash: $10053648	I can't believe that people are just bitching instead of discussing the implications and new found revelations: 1. Dr. Marvin Candle is a fake name. His name is Dr. Chang. He and his wife are raising a caucasian infant. Also, the Dharma "movies" were somewhat scripted. 2. Locke may or may not be dead. "Jeremy Bentham" is a code name. 3. Three years have passed since the Oceanic 6 were rescued. 4. The "Losties" are definitely traveling through time. 5. It took Charles Widmore 20 years to find the island. 6. Ben Linus is lying to someone (again). 7. And of course, time travel is most certainly involved in their plane crash, rescue and imminent return to the island. That's quite a bit of officially confirmed info.
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01-23-2009, 12:06 PM	#3345
Buck Take a Chill Pill Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: South Carolina Casino cash: $8329900	I guess Beauty is in the Eye of the Beholder. I thought the episode was great. It blew my mind. Dane makes some very good points, although is it confirmed that the baby is in fact Caucasian?
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