Discussing the 1st rd: why Dee Ford was the best option

[Saccopoo]

Originally Posted by BossChief

His first and second steps are comparable. Maybe not equal, but Ford has a lethal "get off".

So where is the production?

Any dude with "lethal" get off, combined with that size and strength, should be absolutely destroying dudes. The guy averaged 5 sacks a year for his college career and 25 tackles per season. That absolutely sucks balls for a guy with "lethal get off."

I seriously want to know why he didn't produce at a higher level on a national championship caliber team.

I don't give a flying **** about his "get off" on ESPN's Sports Science bit.

I do care about why he didn't really do jack shit at the college level.

[OldSchool]

Originally Posted by Saccopoo

So where is the production?

Any dude with "lethal" get off, combined with that size and strength, should be absolutely destroying dudes. The guy averaged 5 sacks a year for his college career and 25 tackles per season. That absolutely sucks balls for a guy with "lethal get off."

I seriously want to know why he didn't produce at a higher level on a national championship caliber team.

I don't give a flying **** about his "get off" on ESPN's Sports Science bit.

I do care about why he didn't really do jack shit at the college level.

That's my main problem with Ford too, his lack of production despite really good measurables.

[the Talking Can]

Originally Posted by OldSchool

That's my main problem with Ford too, his lack of production despite really good measurables.

dontari, poe



guy was a worthless piece of shit in a shitty conference in college...one year later he is the best young nt in the league

i have no clue how that happens, but it did

[RunKC]

Originally Posted by Saccopoo

So where is the production?

Any dude with "lethal" get off, combined with that size and strength, should be absolutely destroying dudes. The guy averaged 5 sacks a year for his college career and 25 tackles per season. That absolutely sucks balls for a guy with "lethal get off."

I seriously want to know why he didn't produce at a higher level on a national championship caliber team.

I don't give a flying **** about his "get off" on ESPN's Sports Science bit.

I do care about why he didn't really do jack shit at the college level.

You must not have watched. He was a beast last year. Watch the Georgia game. Watch the Texas A&M game. Watch the national championship. Watch the senior bowl.hell he was getting pressure on QB's in games like LSU and MU as well.

The guy had a sack in 5 straight games last year. I swear do people watch this guy? He was one of the most productive defenders in the entire draft last year.

[Saccopoo]

Originally Posted by RunKC

You must not have watched. He was a beast last year. Watch the Georgia game. Watch the Texas A&M game. Watch the national championship. Watch the senior bowl.hell he was getting pressure on QB's in games like LSU and MU as well.

The guy had a sack in 5 straight games last year. I swear do people watch this guy? He was one of the most productive defenders in the entire draft last year.

He had 29 total tackles last season.

That is absolutely horrible.

Only 3 forced fumbles for his entire career.

That is horrible.

Only three passes defensed for his entire college career.

That is horrible.

Only 27.5 tackles for loss for his college career. That includes his 20.5 sacks. That means he only made 7.5 tfl beyond his sacks. That is horrible.

The guy had absolutely no impact other than his sacks, which maxed out at 10.5 in the 2013 season.

How does that relate to productive?

Apparently I'm missing something here.

[RunKC]

Originally Posted by Saccopoo

He had 29 total tackles last season.

That is absolutely horrible.

Only 3 forced fumbles for his entire career.

That is horrible.

Only three passes defensed for his entire college career.

That is horrible.

Only 27.5 tackles for loss for his college career. That includes his 20.5 sacks. That means he only made 7.5 tfl beyond his sacks. That is horrible.

The guy had absolutely no impact other than his sacks, which maxed out at 10.5 in the 2013 season.

How does that relate to productive?

Apparently I'm missing something here.

It's pretty obvious that Dee Ford was not a finished product last year and he kept getting better and better as time went on.
You can't really ask for much from him in terms of coverage bc he rarely did that at Auburn.
Looking at his tape, his run stopping problems seem to be bc he is over pursuing. This would be coachable and I bet that's the thought behind this.
He still needs to get stronger, but a year in an nfl weight training program should help.

Dorsey is picking players based on potential and he's starting them off slow. He did it with Fisher and now he's doing it with Ford. Let's see what happens.

[Saccopoo]

Originally Posted by RunKC

It's pretty obvious that Dee Ford was not a finished product last year and he kept getting better and better as time went on.
You can't really ask for much from him in terms of coverage bc he rarely did that at Auburn.
Looking at his tape, his run stopping problems seem to be bc he is over pursuing. This would be coachable and I bet that's the thought behind this.
He still needs to get stronger, but a year in an nfl weight training program should help.

Dorsey is picking players based on potential and he's starting them off slow. He did it with Fisher and now he's doing it with Ford. Let's see what happens.

Dude...he threw Fisher to the wolves. Started him out at RT from day one. He will have the luxury of starting out Ford slow as there are two studs incumbents at both OLB spots. He'll probably see some snaps here and there, but his lion's share of work will most likely be on special teams - at least to start.

At least to me, that a steep price to pay for a first round pick considering the glaring, obvious holes at WR, OL and S.

[RunKC]

Ford will play in the wide 9 a lot and in the nickel, which we played the entire playoff game. I see them doing that against pure passing teams, including the 2 in our division.

I bet Ford and Gaines get a lot of PT this year.

[The Franchise]

Originally Posted by Saccopoo

Dude...he threw Fisher to the wolves. Started him out at RT from day one. He will have the luxury of starting out Ford slow as there are two studs incumbents at both OLB spots. He'll probably see some snaps here and there, but his lion's share of work will most likely be on special teams - at least to start.

At least to me, that a steep price to pay for a first round pick considering the glaring, obvious holes at WR, OL and S.

So we should have reached on who? Jimmie Ward was realistically the only option at 23 and they weren't taking him because they view Commings and Abdullah as competent starters.