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Old 12-14-2017, 11:47 AM  
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Browns' John Dorsey: 'The guys that were here before, they didn't get real players'
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"You know what? You've got to get a guy like that (Hue Jackson) players,'' Dorsey told the "Really Big Show'' with Aaron Goldhammer on WKNR 850, the home of the Browns today. "And you know what? I'll come straight out with it. The guys who were here before, that system, they didn't get real players.''

Damn, bro. Picking up Hue Jackson's tendencies to throw his own players under the bus.
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Old 12-14-2017, 03:11 PM   #61
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Has Bradford ever had a year close to what Smith has done this year?
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Old 12-14-2017, 03:13 PM   #62
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I remember the Colts having the #1 and #2 picks one year. They went with Steve Emtman and Quentin Coryatt.
As bad as that seems I went and looked back. Nothing in the top 20that makes you go wow. The best qb by a wide margin in that class was jeff blake. Almost as bad a year to have #1 pick as the chiefs fischer year.
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Old 12-14-2017, 03:15 PM   #63
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He is an asshole. I'll never forget the awkward "knucks" him and Clark did on draft day when getting Mahomes.
Could be what the Browns liked about him. After all the celebration happened after he sent in the trade card and no deadlines were missed.
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Old 12-14-2017, 03:27 PM   #64
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Old 12-14-2017, 03:30 PM   #65
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Has Smith? #Fluke
This is definitely Smith's outlier year for sure. But Bradford doesn't have an outlier that's close.
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Old 12-14-2017, 03:36 PM   #66
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Dorsey inherits Myles Garrett/Gordon...and has two top 5 picks? Five picks in the first two rounds and a boatload of FA cash? He also has his choice of waiver wire cuts...damn.

With Ben/Flacco wearing out....Browns are going to own that division in a few years.
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Old 12-14-2017, 03:52 PM   #67
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So if you're John Dorsey...do you really want to trade picks and pay a shit-ton of cash for Alex Smith...when Sam Bradford is going to be sitting on the FA market?

He's three years younger, you're not going to be shoehorned into running one type of offense, he's far better at throwing to actual wide receivers, the Browns don't really have a TE....

If you're going to draft a QB anyway, signing Bradford seems to be far better option if you're looking for a stopgap.
Do they turn to the 3rd round qb in week 4 when Bradford goes down for the year?
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Old 12-14-2017, 04:01 PM   #68
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For all of this talk of the Browns and Chiefs running the AFC one day, I hope it's true... but I highly doubt it. This QB class is not very good, and the NFL personnel guys know it by now.

Josh Rosen is the real life Bo Callahan apparently, as his teammates don't like him and he has a Jay Cutler personality. Darnold has been so bad this year that rumors suggest he might not come out this year in order to rebuild his draft stock. Jackson looks great but no one is sure how he will translate into the NFL.

I guess what I'm saying is, let's not just assume the Browns are getting a star QB this year.
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Old 12-14-2017, 04:23 PM   #69
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For all of this talk of the Browns and Chiefs running the AFC one day, I hope it's true... but I highly doubt it. This QB class is not very good, and the NFL personnel guys know it by now.

Josh Rosen is the real life Bo Callahan apparently, as his teammates don't like him and he has a Jay Cutler personality. Darnold has been so bad this year that rumors suggest he might not come out this year in order to rebuild his draft stock. Jackson looks great but no one is sure how he will translate into the NFL.

I guess what I'm saying is, let's not just assume the Browns are getting a star QB this year.
Next year's QB draft will be great and so much better than this year.. ( repeat mantra non-stop) It does seem like that is what the talking heads ALWAYS say
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Old 12-14-2017, 04:39 PM   #70
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The few players who are real players already know the comments weren't directed at them. They are on the team, they know who Dorsey is talking about. Stating the obvious may not be the polite thing to do, but 0-13 is 0-13 and when asked, you have to say something.

I find his comments encouraging to the organization.
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Old 12-14-2017, 05:40 PM   #71
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The few players who are real players already know the comments weren't directed at them. They are on the team, they know who Dorsey is talking about. Stating the obvious may not be the polite thing to do, but 0-13 is 0-13 and when asked, you have to say something.

I find his comments encouraging to the organization.
Yeah your either throwing the front office under the bus and/or the coaching staff. My guess is that this was his way of protecting Hugh and attempt to stop the rumors that Hugh is out the door and he is going to hire his guy.
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So if you're John Dorsey...do you really want to trade picks and pay a shit-ton of cash for Alex Smith...when Sam Bradford is going to be sitting on the FA market?

He's three years younger, you're not going to be shoehorned into running one type of offense, he's far better at throwing to actual wide receivers, the Browns don't really have a TE....

If you're going to draft a QB anyway, signing Bradford seems to be far better option if you're looking for a stopgap.
For most teams, possibly. For the browns? **** no. Alex Smith is a better qb and he's perfect for bringing them stability. They do have a tight end, by the way. David njoku is pretty good. I don't think Smith helps what the chiefs want right now. But for a team that has been really bad for 20 years straight he will give him stability. And the browns don't care about money. They were so desperate to hit their cap floor this year that they traded for Brock osweiler just to soak up his cap money. They'll have even more money to spend next year.

And while most teams would develop a first round qb, the browns have the opposite history. If they pass on Alex Smith and darnold busts, then the browns will have drafted 4 qbs in 10 years that busted. Dorsey should trade for him, draft saquon, take the best qb available with their next #1 pick.
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Old 12-14-2017, 06:28 PM   #73
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Dorsey inherits Myles Garrett/Gordon...and has two top 5 picks? Five picks in the first two rounds and a boatload of FA cash? He also has his choice of waiver wire cuts...damn.

With Ben/Flacco wearing out....Browns are going to own that division in a few years.
Yeah, he has a real opportunity to load them up in 2018

Give us a #2 for Smith, and they could conceivably turn it around quickly
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I remember the Colts having the #1 and #2 picks one year. They went with Steve Emtman and Quentin Coryatt.
Haha yep... shoulda gone trade out of one and draft klingler and let him develop
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