Ryan Braun tests positive for PED

[Saul Good]

Originally Posted by TheGuardian

This is wrong. But you can't fix stupid.

Explain where I went wrong, smart guy.

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by Saul Good

Explain where I went wrong, smart guy.

Hmmmm....

It is string theory?

[TheGuardian]

Originally Posted by Saul Good

Explain where I went wrong, smart guy.

Because all of the things you talk about don't have to do with being stronger. Most of it is central nervous system related. Which steroids cannot change.

It's why I ask if taking steroids can make you better at xbox 360. It flat out is NOT as simple as getting stronger and having a faster swing. If you want to believe that, that's fine. But it doesn't make it true.

[Saul Good]

Originally Posted by TheGuardian

Because all of the things you talk about don't have to do with being stronger. Most of it is central nervous system related. Which steroids cannot change.

It's why I ask if taking steroids can make you better at xbox 360. It flat out is NOT as simple as getting stronger and having a faster swing. If you want to believe that, that's fine. But it doesn't make it true.

So you're back to the "bat speed doesn't help baseball players" argument?

[TheGuardian]

Originally Posted by Saul Good

So you're back to the "bat speed doesn't help baseball players" argument?

Never said that. The faster a guy can swing a bat the harder he should be able to hit a ball. It doesn't mean he can hit a ball any better however, and it also doesn't mean the initial reaction to the ball coming at him is any faster. THAT part of his swing is determined by his central nervous system.

I mean I've only got 23 ****ing years in this field, but you guys are the experts.

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by TheGuardian

Never said that. The faster a guy can swing a bat the harder he should be able to hit a ball. It doesn't mean he can hit a ball any better however, and it also doesn't mean the initial reaction to the ball coming at him is any faster. THAT part of his swing is determined by his central nervous system.

I mean I've only got 23 ****ing years in this field, but you guys are the experts.

You're making apparent that whatever 'field' you're in has nothing to do with baseball.

You simply don't understand the mechanics of a baseball swing if you truly believe what you're saying here. Even facially, your argument doesn't make any sense.

Like I said - this argument has nothing to do with the physical effects of steroids and everything to do with what makes a good hitter. You seem incapable of separating the two and I think it's because the pro-PED crowd just can't bring themselves to admit that PEDs have a massive impact on the competitive balance if some players are using them and other's aren't.

Whatever - the argument is in black and white and plain for anyone that wants to pay attention. Your position is that batspeed doesn't make better overall hitters. Fine - it's patently false, but whatever.

Enjoy that flat earth.

[TheGuardian]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

You're making apparent that whatever 'field' you're in has nothing to do with baseball.

You simply don't understand the mechanics of a baseball swing if you truly believe what you're saying here. Even facially, your argument doesn't make any sense.

Like I said - this argument has nothing to do with the physical effects of steroids and everything to do with what makes a good hitter. You seem incapable of separating the two and I think it's because the pro-PED crowd just can't bring themselves to admit that PEDs have a massive impact on the competitive balance if some players are using them and other's aren't.

Whatever - the argument is in black and white and plain for anyone that wants to pay attention. Your position is that batspeed doesn't make better overall hitters. Fine - it's patently false, but whatever.

Enjoy that flat earth.

You're too stupid to realize you are the flat Earther in this argument. You don't understand the difference between the CNS and PNS and how steroids do and don't effect either. It applies to this discussion completely but because you are unaware of this, you keep arguing. you're still the dumbass that said that steroids target the fast twitch muscles, which would get you laughed right out of the room with people who deal with this stuff.

Again, you're the flat earther here. Just too ****ing ignorant to know it.

[jd1020]

I'm not sure why we can't agree that "Performance Enhancing Drugs" don't actually enhance your performance.

[Saul Good]

Originally Posted by TheGuardian

You're too stupid to realize you are the flat Earther in this argument. You don't understand the difference between the CNS and PNS and how steroids do and don't effect either. It applies to this discussion completely but because you are unaware of this, you keep arguing. you're still the dumbass that said that steroids target the fast twitch muscles, which would get you laughed right out of the room with people who deal with this stuff.

Again, you're the flat earther here. Just too ****ing ignorant to know it.

No, it has nothing to do with CNS or PNS. It has to do with whether or not steroids can make you stronger. This is simple logic.

Steroids make you stronger.
Strength increases bat speed.
Increased bat speed enables you to be less quick with reaction time and still catch up.
Still catching up means you get longer to evaluate a pitch.
More time to evaluate a pitch increases the likelihood that the pitch will be hit.

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by TheGuardian

You're too stupid to realize you are the flat Earther in this argument. You don't understand the difference between the CNS and PNS and how steroids do and don't effect either. It applies to this discussion completely but because you are unaware of this, you keep arguing. you're still the dumbass that said that steroids target the fast twitch muscles, which would get you laughed right out of the room with people who deal with this stuff.

Again, you're the flat earther here. Just too ****ing ignorant to know it.

I DON'T CARE ABOUT THE PHYSICAL IMPACT OF STEROIDS! THEY ARE WHOLLY IRRELEVANT TO THE DISCUSSION.

Jesus, do I need to put a period between every one of those to slow them down to the point that they're comprehensible for you? I'm accepting your position regarding the physical impact of steroids as 100% accurate. I don't necessarily agree with it, but I also don't care. I'm taking the point that you've conceded - that steroids improve strength and batspeed - as the fundamental cannon of the entire argument.

Using nothing more than that very same fundamental cannon applied to baseball, something I know a shitload about, I can tell you that you're just flat wrong. I've given you rationales for it. I've given you real-world examples of it.

Batspeed makes a HUGE difference in a hitters overall ability to hit a baseball. Not just how far they can hit it.

The rest of it is you just trying to talk about the physical impacts of steroids again because it's evidently the only thing you actually have a point of reference for. The fact is that their physical impacts are not germane to the discussion as I've gone ahead and used the ground rules you've set to move forward.

If steroids improve strength (A), strength improves batspeed (B) and batspeed improve overall hitting ability (C), then using the transitive property, steroids improve overall hitting ability. A and B in that string are points you've conceded. That leaves only C - batspeed improves overall hitting - as open to discussion.

And you have yet to marshall an argument suggesting otherwise.

But yet again, you've proven completely incapable of carrying on a rational discussion without spitting on your screen and otherwise hurling insults.

Keep on proving my point, Al.

[Saul Good]

Originally Posted by TheGuardian

I mean I've only got 23 ****ing years in this field, but you guys are the experts.

23 years in the field of making stupid arguments? Sounds right.