Did you over-react to the work of Casshole?

[Dave Lane]

Originally Posted by loochy

I wouldn't say it's hate. We all (or at least most of us) really appreciate his work and we are really glad that he's stepped up. We just realize that, while good, Cassel is not the kind of QB that can pretty much win a game single handedly with minimal contribution elsewhere.

Is that a requirement for a Chiefs QB? If so then we have only had one QB here that would be acceptable. This is arbritary and completely stupid standard to apply to any player.

Why not apply it to Charles or Flowers? Charles needs to score a TD on every play maybe 2, You can't get caught from behind and then whine you had cramps. What was it your time of the month? Pussy.

Thats what fans should say about Charles if they are going to force Cassel to live up to HOF standards before they can say, well he's OK.

[B_Ambuehl]

Originally Posted by Dave Lane

Is that a requirement for a Chiefs QB? If so then we have only had one QB here that would be acceptable. This is arbritary and completely stupid standard to apply to any player.

Why not apply it to Charles or Flowers? Charles needs to score a TD on every play maybe 2, You can't get caught from behind and then whine you had cramps. What was it your time of the month? Pussy.

Thats what fans should say about Charles if they are going to force Cassel to live up to HOF standards before they can say, well he's OK.

An NFL team is limited by what their QB can do. They're not really limited by their RB. Can you see Casshole winning a superbowl? If not he's not the guy. Look around the NFL at opposing teams. How many of them have a guy at QB you can see winning a superbowl with now or in the future. These are the guys I'd have on the list right now:

Rivers, Brees, Flacco, Romo, McNabb, Manning, Vick, Manning, Schaub, Rogers, Ryan, Roethlisberger, Cutler

And these guys could potentially be on it one day:

Bradford, Stafford, Freeman, V. Young, McCoy, Matt Flynn

You might not agree with all those but if everbody put together there own list in general you'd have about half the NFL with top Qbs.

I see Casshole as a David Garrard type of Qb. Decent player but can you see Garrard winning a Superbowl? I can't. The main issue I have is I see this team going 3-4 years with Casshole before finally deciding he's not good enough and then having to spend another several years looking for someone who is. I see potential in guys like Freeman and even Colt McCoy that exceed Casshole's ceiling.

A few years ago people were perpetually bitching that we haven't drafted and developed a QB since Dawson. Well, we still haven't.

Think about what you would do if you were named GM of the Jacksonville Jaguars. Garrard is a good player but sooner or later you know you have to upgrade, don't you?

I use the example of Garrard because it eliminates emotional involvement, but it's the same situation here. I'd rather go ahead and deal with that problem ahead of time. If I were Pioli I wouldn't sit on our QB situation and I wouldn't pass on a guy who I think can be a future upgrade. The problem is I don't trust Pioli to do that and I'm afriad it'll hurt us in the future. Cassel has been the most coddled QB in NFL history and has already proven he can't exist with legit competition. After Brady's injury in New England the front office wouldn't bring in any veterans because they didn't want to rattle the Casshole. When Pioli got here he promptly ran Thigpen out of town likely because he didn't want Casshole to be under any pressure to perform. .

[morphius]

Originally Posted by B_Ambuehl

Rivers, Brees, Flacco, Romo, McNabb, Manning, Vick, Manning, Schaub, Rogers, Ryan, Roethlisberger, Cutler

Your list proves you are a grass is always greener kind of guy.

[B_Ambuehl]

What's your list look like?

My point was that approximately half the NFL has franchise QBs or guys with the tools to develop into them. If you're not on that list you're not a serious contender and the only way to be a serious contender is to get on that list. Unfortunately, I haven't seen enough out of Cassell to put him on that list, and I don't think anyone who's truly being objective about things really has either.

[chiefsnorth]

I think you and gifdouche are just building up doom threads, trying to set up for an "I told you so" moment once the end comes.

Nobody thinks this team will go to the super bowl, we all expect the season to end with a loss to someone.

I guess if you keep predicting the same thing forever, you will be right eventually. I expect we will see own-thread bumping and other bloviating that no one cares about.

Kind of sad.

[The Bad Guy]

Originally Posted by chiefsnorth

I think you and gifdouche are just building up doom threads, trying to set up for an "I told you so" moment once the end comes.

Nobody thinks this team will go to the super bowl, we all expect the season to end with a loss to someone.

I guess if you keep predicting the same thing forever, you will be right eventually. I expect we will see own-thread bumping and other bloviating that no one cares about.

Kind of sad.

100% spot on.

B_Ambuehl and GoChiefs are the 2 biggest "look at me, look at me" morons to grace the planet. The most important thing to them? Being able to bump threads to say "see, I called it".

B_Ambuehl also was on the "Will Svitek is the best huge thing for the Chiefs" kick so take everything he says with a titanic size grain of salt.

[bobbything]

Matt Cassel has played very well in the last few months. And I'm not just talking about his stats. He's looked decisive, his throws are significantly more accurate than earlier this year, his awareness in the pocket has increased 10-fold. I hope he continues this type of play because the crow I'm eating thus far is tasting quite good.

He plays like this for his career as a Chief, I'm perfectly happy with it. Anyone who says otherwise must think that Peyton Manning's and Tom Brady's are a dime-a-dozen. I can name 8 quarterbacks in this league that are definitively better than Matt Cassel right now. That's it.

I'll take that any day of the week.

[B_Ambuehl]

So now you guys are trying to compare the Casshole to Joe Montana??

Hahahahah

I really have seen it all.

Originally Posted by The Bad Guy

100% spot on.

B_Ambuehl and GoChiefs are the 2 biggest "look at me, look at me" morons to grace the planet. The most important thing to them? Being able to bump threads to say "see, I called it".

B_Ambuehl also was on the "Will Svitek is the best huge thing for the Chiefs" kick so take everything he says with a titanic size grain of salt.

Dude I've been here over 5 years and have a little over 1500 posts. Some of you ****ers post more in a day than I have in my career. If I was after popularity I certainly wouldn't be so anonymous. As for the Svitek thing, it was a tongue in cheek thing, which I said from day 1. People loved Rich Scanlon too, but nobody thought he was realistically a probowler. I liked Svitek because he was a big foreign goofball looking mother****er that loved to fight.

[morphius]

Originally Posted by B_Ambuehl

What's your list look like?

My point was that approximately half the NFL has franchise QBs or guys with the tools to develop into them. If you're not on that list you're not a serious contender and the only way to be a serious contender is to get on that list. Unfortunately, I haven't seen enough out of Cassell to put him on that list, and I don't think anyone who's truly being objective about things really has either.

And a couple of them still have some stuff to prove...

Rivers, Brees, Flacco, Romo, McNabb, Manning, Vick, Manning, Schaub, Rogers, Ryan, Roethlisberger, Cutler

[Skyy God]

Originally Posted by morphius

And a couple of them still have some stuff to prove...

Rivers, Brees, Flacco, Romo, McNabb, Manning, Vick, Manning, Schaub, Rogers, Ryan, Roethlisberger, Cutler

I'd add Romo and Vick and take out Schaub, but that would still put Cassel at 11.

[morphius]

Originally Posted by Pittsie

I'd add Romo and Vick and take out Schaub, but that would still put Cassel at 11.

As I said, some of these are even iffy, I haven't watched a lot of Schuab but he seems to generally have decent stats. Vick is going to have to prove it for more than a year. Romo, the playoff choke master, yeah, noooo thanks.

[Sannyasi]

Originally Posted by B_Ambuehl

What's your list look like?

My point was that approximately half the NFL has franchise QBs or guys with the tools to develop into them. If you're not on that list you're not a serious contender and the only way to be a serious contender is to get on that list. Unfortunately, I haven't seen enough out of Cassell to put him on that list, and I don't think anyone who's truly being objective about things really has either.

Well, to be fair, we certainly haven't seen enough to be sure that he can't make his way on to this list, either.

[Norman Einstein]

Originally Posted by B_Ambuehl

What's your list look like?

My point was that approximately half the NFL has franchise QBs or guys with the tools to develop into them.

So Cassel does not have the tools to be a franchise QB? I guess you haven't seen much of his play through this season.

[Amnorix]

Originally Posted by B_Ambuehl

What's your list look like?

My point was that approximately half the NFL has franchise QBs or guys with the tools to develop into them. If you're not on that list you're not a serious contender and the only way to be a serious contender is to get on that list. Unfortunately, I haven't seen enough out of Cassell to put him on that list, and I don't think anyone who's truly being objective about things really has either.

But you've seen enough of Matt Flynn? Seriously, WTF?

[veist]

Originally Posted by B_Ambuehl

An NFL team is limited by what their QB can do.

1. Trent Dilfer
2. Mark Rypien
3. Jim McMahon
4. Brad Johnson

All have SB rings as a starting QB so time to bust a new a crappy argument.