Royals (New) 2013 Kansas City Royals Repository - Page 108

duncan_idaho · 08-15-2013, 08:13 AM

New thread, this time with more burst.

Proposed 2013 Slogan: Tigers: They're what's for dinner
Actual 2013 Slogan: Come to Play
A better, more accurate, or alternative slogan: All in, no panic, we promise.

Dayton Moore has pushed all his chips in and is riding on King/Jack suited, hoping it comes together, he gets some good luck, and he hits the nuts by the river card. There's potential, oh yes, there's potential. There's also risk.

At the midway point, Dayton is left counting on the river card. The flop and turn didn't help him, and he's looking at the Tigers holding a pair of Queens and the Indians holding a pair of 9s. His 2013 plan hasn't failed - yet - but the odds are not in his favor.

Burning questions updates below.

Burning Questions for 2013:

1) Will the improve rotation be improved enough? Does James Shields pitch like a fringe No. 1 away from Tampa Bay? Does Ervin Santana pitch to his highest upside in his walk year? Can Jeremy Guthrie build on his strong performance as a Royal in 2012? Can Wade Davis bring his new mentality- and velocity - back to the rotation?

Midseason check-in: Yes, the rotation is certainly improved enough. Shields has pitched like a fringe No. 1 and Santana is having his best season. Guthrie has horrible peripherals but has continued to perform well at his home park and eat innings on the road. Davis brought neither his kick-ass mentality or improved velocity back to the rotation and is in Luke Hochevar/Hiram Davies territory.

2) When will Luke Hochevar be shown the door?
Midseason check-in: It appears, never, at this point. Hochevar has been solid in non-leverage situations, though pretty much every time he has been used with men on base in an inning, it has been a disaster.

3) Does Hosmer bounce back?
Midseason check-in: It took some time, but Hosmer's performance from June 1 on is probably the most encouraging thing about the 2013 season so far.
4) Can Moustakas hit for a whole season like he did in the first half of 2012?
Midseason check-in: Nope. Moustakas was god-awful, then great for about 3 weeks, then god-awful again. He has been better since he started working with Brett and Grafol but still has a long way to go.
5) Who regresses?
Midseason check-in: Welp, Alicides Escobar is not a surprising name here (though Yost's stubborn insistence on hitting him second is ridiculous). Billy Butler is a surprise. He isn't having a terrible year - still contributing a lot to the offense - but he's not hitting for the average or power he has displayed over the past several years.
6) Who plays 2B?
Midseason check-in: A whole bunch of people, and not that great. Gio is at least getting a shot, though he once again is not doing much with it.
7) Can Jeff Francoeur be at least replacement level, rather than epic horrible level?
Midseason check-in: Hahahahahahahahahahaha
8) Will Dayton Moore survive to see 2014?
Midseason check-in: Outlook uncertain. Probably still around, unless the team completely tanks in the second half and he does something foolish. My guess - he sacrifices Ned Yost this offseason and gets one more shot with a new manager in 2014.
9) Will Danny Duffy come back healthy? And if he does, is he the same, better or worse?
Midseason check-in: Yes. Velocity looks the same, and it looks likely he is the same guy as before.
10) And the big one: Has KC added enough to run down the big-money Detroit Tigers?
Midseason check-in: Doesn't look like it, does it?

**alnorth** · 09-29-2013, 04:08 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tambaberry

With his terrible lineups for half the season, and his questionable pitching decisions. He lost us more then he won us.

Lineups do not matter, and you are complaining about managing pitching for the team that put up the league's best ERA this season. Best ERA in the AL isn't good enough, you'd rather we break records or something?

Saying that Yost lost 10 games isn't just wrong, it is ridiculous. Every serious study has concluded that managers only vary by about +/- a couple games. The team didn't do better because we're scoring about as often as an NL team.

**alnorth** · 09-29-2013, 04:13 AM

The Giants have pretty much set the market value for the kind of RF bat we wish we could have in 2014. They extended 30-year old Hunter Pence $90MM for 5 years, for a $18MM AAV.

Archie F. Swin · 09-29-2013, 05:31 AM

wouldn't be too upset if we lost Collins over the offseason. Gah!

Ventura starts = Pen implodes

**DeezNutz** · 09-29-2013, 07:10 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by alnorth

The Giants have pretty much set the market value for the kind of RF bat we wish we could have in 2014. They extended 30-year old Hunter Pence $90MM for 5 years, for a $18MM AAV.

2 for 36 for Beltran, then. No problem.

bsp4444 · 09-29-2013, 07:18 AM

Beltran will never be a Royal again. All over a million dollars they tried to save.

KevB · 09-29-2013, 09:33 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Archie F. Swin

wouldn't be too upset if we lost Collins over the offseason. Gah!

Ventura starts = Pen implodes

Pitching coach screwed him up IMO. His unorthodox delivery (very high leg kick) was part of his success. He was able to hide the ball. They made a big deal about how they simplified his delivery at the beginning of the season, and how it would help him. Last year in 69 innings, he struck out 93 batters. This year in 53 innings, he struck out 52. For a pitcher who walks his share of batters, losing those strikeouts to get out of trouble was huge. His stats were fine this year, but the dominant strikeout potential is the difference IMO.

C3HIEF3S · 09-29-2013, 10:49 AM

If anyone cares:

AndChiefs · 09-29-2013, 11:00 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by C3HIEF3S

If anyone cares:

Kind of.

stonedstooge · 09-29-2013, 01:01 PM

Salvy with the 2 run dinger. w00t

tk13 · 09-29-2013, 01:02 PM

Detroit Tigers have been no-hit by the Marlins through 9 innings... but it's a 0-0 game going to bottom 9. Come on Marlins, finish them off.

tk13 · 09-29-2013, 01:03 PM

And Salvador Perez is a beast.

tk13 · 09-29-2013, 01:19 PM

Marlins score on a wild pitch and win. No-hit the Tigers on the last day of the season. Nice.

stonedstooge · 09-29-2013, 01:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tk13

Marlins score on a wild pitch and win. No-hit the Tigers on the last day of the season. Nice.

w00t!

tk13 · 09-29-2013, 01:45 PM

Brett Hayes hits a 2-run HR. 4-1 Royals.

siberian khatru · 09-29-2013, 01:45 PM

BRETT HAYES

08-15-2013, 08:13 AM
duncan_idaho M-I-Z-Z-O-U Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Kansas City Casino cash: $1630308	(New) 2013 Kansas City Royals Repository New thread, this time with more burst. Proposed 2013 Slogan: Tigers: They're what's for dinner Actual 2013 Slogan: Come to Play A better, more accurate, or alternative slogan: All in, no panic, we promise. Dayton Moore has pushed all his chips in and is riding on King/Jack suited, hoping it comes together, he gets some good luck, and he hits the nuts by the river card. There's potential, oh yes, there's potential. There's also risk. At the midway point, Dayton is left counting on the river card. The flop and turn didn't help him, and he's looking at the Tigers holding a pair of Queens and the Indians holding a pair of 9s. His 2013 plan hasn't failed - yet - but the odds are not in his favor. Burning questions updates below. Burning Questions for 2013: 1) Will the improve rotation be improved enough? Does James Shields pitch like a fringe No. 1 away from Tampa Bay? Does Ervin Santana pitch to his highest upside in his walk year? Can Jeremy Guthrie build on his strong performance as a Royal in 2012? Can Wade Davis bring his new mentality- and velocity - back to the rotation? Midseason check-in: Yes, the rotation is certainly improved enough. Shields has pitched like a fringe No. 1 and Santana is having his best season. Guthrie has horrible peripherals but has continued to perform well at his home park and eat innings on the road. Davis brought neither his kick-ass mentality or improved velocity back to the rotation and is in Luke Hochevar/Hiram Davies territory. 2) When will Luke Hochevar be shown the door? Midseason check-in: It appears, never, at this point. Hochevar has been solid in non-leverage situations, though pretty much every time he has been used with men on base in an inning, it has been a disaster. 3) Does Hosmer bounce back? Midseason check-in: It took some time, but Hosmer's performance from June 1 on is probably the most encouraging thing about the 2013 season so far. 4) Can Moustakas hit for a whole season like he did in the first half of 2012? Midseason check-in: Nope. Moustakas was god-awful, then great for about 3 weeks, then god-awful again. He has been better since he started working with Brett and Grafol but still has a long way to go. 5) Who regresses? Midseason check-in: Welp, Alicides Escobar is not a surprising name here (though Yost's stubborn insistence on hitting him second is ridiculous). Billy Butler is a surprise. He isn't having a terrible year - still contributing a lot to the offense - but he's not hitting for the average or power he has displayed over the past several years. 6) Who plays 2B? Midseason check-in: A whole bunch of people, and not that great. Gio is at least getting a shot, though he once again is not doing much with it. 7) Can Jeff Francoeur be at least replacement level, rather than epic horrible level? Midseason check-in: Hahahahahahahahahahaha 8) Will Dayton Moore survive to see 2014? Midseason check-in: Outlook uncertain. Probably still around, unless the team completely tanks in the second half and he does something foolish. My guess - he sacrifices Ned Yost this offseason and gets one more shot with a new manager in 2014. 9) Will Danny Duffy come back healthy? And if he does, is he the same, better or worse? Midseason check-in: Yes. Velocity looks the same, and it looks likely he is the same guy as before. 10) And the big one: Has KC added enough to run down the big-money Detroit Tigers? Midseason check-in: Doesn't look like it, does it?
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