Sutton's Defense Won't Dictate Or Attack

[petegz28]

His defense lacks any sense of toughness and attack. He doesn't dictate anything. When he blitzes he blitzes to blitz and not to dictate what the ofense can and cannot do.

Take Wade Phillips on the other hand. The guy instantly upgrades any defense he coaches regardless of talent. Why? Because he has a defense that dictactes what an offense must do. Not sit back trying to defend against any and everything possible.

Preseason or not, toughness and an attacking mentality are something that shows regardless. Sutton's defenses are soft, reactionary and undisciplined.

How this guy still has a job bogles the minds of most. But I am afraid what we've seen the last few years is what we will see again. Minimal attack, dependency on a turnover. Lots of time on the field defensively.

[Bowser]

I've wanted him gone since the Indy playoff loss. He's done nothing to change my mind.

[Randallflagg]

Originally Posted by Bowser

I've wanted him gone since the Indy playoff loss. He's done nothing to change my mind.

Indeed. Absolutely NOTHING.

[007]

Originally Posted by Bowser

I've wanted him gone since the Indy playoff loss. He's done nothing to change my mind.

****ing this. This is Grob all over again.

[Reerun_KC]

Originally Posted by Bowser

I've wanted him gone since the Indy playoff loss. He's done nothing to change my mind.

Dude. For years people here have blown Sutton’s hose on how awesome our defense has been.

He needed to be gone years ago.

[chiefzilla1501]

Originally Posted by petegz28

His defense lacks any sense of toughness and attack. He doesn't dictate anything. When he blitzes he blitzes to blitz and not to dictate what the ofense can and cannot do.

Take Wade Phillips on the other hand. The guy instantly upgrades any defense he coaches regardless of talent. Why? Because he has a defense that dictactes what an offense must do. Not sit back trying to defend against any and everything possible.

Preseason or not, toughness and an attacking mentality are something that shows regardless. Sutton's defenses are soft, reactionary and undisciplined.

How this guy still has a job bogles the minds of most. But I am afraid what we've seen the last few years is what we will see again. Minimal attack, dependency on a turnover. Lots of time on the field defensively.

I hated the shit out of last years defense.

But in fairness, it's preseason and Andy Reid promised we'd be much more aggressive and attacking. In this case I don't think we're showing our full hand.

[petegz28]

Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

I hated the shit out of last years defense.

But in fairness, it's preseason and Andy Reid promised we'd be much more aggressive and attacking. In this case I don't think we're showing our full hand.

Sorry, not buying it. Toughness is a mentality and something that carries through in every play. This team is still soft. We aren't showing any hand, let alone our full hand.

[chiefzilla1501]

Originally Posted by petegz28

Sorry, not buying it. Toughness is a mentality and something that carries through in every play. This team is still soft. We aren't showing any hand, let alone our full hand.

I'm not optimistic. I was calling for his head this offseason.

But it's preseason and I'll give him a chance to show his hand once the season starts. I'd feel different if Reid was just talking coach speak. But he specifically said we'll be more aggressive. We haven't been at all in preseason which leads me to believe we're not showing our full hand.

[MTG#10]

Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

I hated the shit out of last years defense.

But in fairness, it's preseason and Andy Reid promised we'd be much more aggressive and attacking. In this case I don't think we're showing our full hand.

Bullshit. We're showing the same thing we show during the season every season since Sutton has been here. Andy is a liar trying to cover for his buddy's incompetence. Same old same old year in and year out. Sutton is trash and will always be trash. Andy is a dipshit for being loyal to a trash coordinator.

[petegz28]

Originally Posted by MTG#10

Bullshit. We're showing the same thing we show during every season since Sutton has been here. Andy is a liar trying to cover for his buddy's incompetence. Same old same old year in and year out. Sutton is trash and will always be trash.

I have a buddy who us a huge Jets fan. He told me from day one we would regret having Sutton. Right now I think he is right. Sutton has his moments of wanting to play a good defense but then drops back into a shell where he tries to defend everything, every play. All that does is make you reactionary and indecisive.

[chiefzilla1501]

Originally Posted by MTG#10

Bullshit. We're showing the same thing we show during every season since Sutton has been here. Andy is a liar trying to cover for his buddy's incompetence. Same old same old year in and year out. Sutton is trash and will always be trash.

It's the preseason. We always show an ultra vanilla defense. Again, I'm not that confident Sutton can make this work. But it's very common for defenses to be extremely vanilla and unaggressive in the preseason.

And I disagree that Sutton has always been trash. He had a few good years but the game seems to have passed him by. I sure hope I'm wrong about that.

[htismaqe]

Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

It's the preseason. We always show an ultra vanilla defense. Again, I'm not that confident Sutton can make this work. But it's very common for defenses to be extremely vanilla and unaggressive in the preseason.

And I disagree that Sutton has always been trash. He had a few good years but the game seems to have passed him by. I sure hope I'm wrong about that.

Passed him by? An aging DJ that neither Pioli nor Dorsey could replace, a gimpy Houston, multiple stints on IR for Berry. The defense’s struggles aren’t a mystery.

[chiefzilla1501]

Originally Posted by htismaqe

Passed him by? An aging DJ that neither Pioli nor Dorsey could replace, a gimpy Houston, multiple stints on IR for Berry. The defense’s struggles aren’t a mystery.

I think Sutton did a good job his first few years as a DC. And I'll push back on anyone who says otherwise. But he looked absolutely lost last year. Sure, injuries were an issue. But he hasn't proven he can succeed once they took away his nickel/dime as a crutch.

I was fine with his defense then. I don't love it now. The game has moved past the McDermotts and Monty Kiffins of the world. I'm still disappointed that even though the game is moving back to a Jim Johnson brand of defense, we completely skipped the boat on that last year. I don't think Sutton will magically become Jim Johnson aggressive just because Reid asks him to.

[Easy 6]

Like everyone else, Sutton has infuriated me in the past... but to make such bold proclamations about this years defense after two preseason games is silly

Not only are Berry and others not playing in these games, but there is no game planning at all, its all about evaluating guys strengths and weaknesses at this point

The word has been out for quite a while now...

1) there will be a strong focus on the run
2) they will be playing a more aggressive press scheme

Everyone take a deep breath, and wait until the real bullets start flying to judge this years squad

[King_Chief_Fan]

Originally Posted by Easy 6

Like everyone else, Sutton has infuriated me in the past... but to make such bold proclamations about this years defense after two preseason games is silly

Not only are Berry and others not playing in these games, but there is no game planning at all, its all about evaluating guys strengths and weaknesses at this point

The word has been out for quite a while now...

1) there will be a strong focus on the run
2) they will be playing a more aggressive press scheme

Everyone take a deep breath, and wait until the real bullets start flying to judge this years squad

The voice of reason...yes.
But, Sutton d has always been middle of the road