Keep f***ing doubting Alex Smith

[Hammock Parties]

The title of the thread says it all....

**** you doubters. He plays with heart, and he continues to get the job done. You people who bash Alex, I don't even consider true fans. He plays his heart out every week, and you continue to bash him...

Keep bashing him, I'll keep backing him.

[JENKINSWINS]

[QUOTE=Saccopoo;10009575]

Originally Posted by duncan_idaho

Pairing this defense with a QB who understands ball control, time management and field position makes them deadly.

This is the same defensive players we saw last year with the exception of Sean Smith and Mike DeVito.

Cassel killed these guys with his turnovers and inability to sustain a drive.

Smith, playing in an Andy Reid offense, is the type of QB who will keep these guys fresh and let them attack the ball versus having to play against the ball as you saw last season and the previous three with Cassel.

This defense is already deadly.

Cassel would've turned the ball over at his own 5 yard line on Thursday night football and lost the game. Alex drove down the field and took 8+ mins off the clock to put the team up 2 scores.

[O.city]

[QUOTE=duncan_idaho;10009602]

Originally Posted by Saccopoo

Sure, the defense is helped by the offense not screwing them consistently. It's also helped considerably by the steps forward taken by guys like Dontari Poe and Eric Berry (whose health and experience seem to be allowing him to finally live up to ALL of the hype rather than 80 percent of it).

But the success of that type of football tends to expire with the end of the regular season and start of the playoffs.

I need to see MORE of Alex Smith making plays in tough spots before I'll believe he can translate that success to the postseason.

Up to this point this year, he's only made plays in tough positions, not the normal easy ones we all expect him to.

[Saccopoo]

Originally Posted by SNR

I read the last handful of pages.

DeezNutz is speaking the truth, but the shitty part for him is that at the end of the argument, his opponents will say ONE thing, the argument is over, and Deez lost.

"3-0."

And the shitty part for Deez's opponents is that the only way for them to open their goddamn ears and rationalize what Smith actually is as a QB is to lose in the playoffs, realizing that this kind of winning is unsustainable. It will be painful and disheartening, just like the Cassel loss in 2010 was.

I'm not saying we need to turn this place into SchopenhauerPlanet or anything, but it would be nice if people would actually address concerns raised about Alex Smith instead of turning a deaf ear to it all and constantly whacking off to 3-0.

What concerns?

I mean really. What concerns?

That he's not Matt Stafford?

What do you want?

And not that it matters much, because if you want something more than Smith, you aren't going to get it because Reid has already stated that he's wanted Smith as his QB for a while now and with Smith being 29, he's still got a minimum of five years in his "prime" stage as an NFL QB.

If you want to take a dump on this team and Smith because he's not hitting your expected fantasy numbers then I guess that's your option, but at the end of the day this team is 3-0 with him playing mistake free football.

The hypothetical world of "we'd be so kick ass if we had Elway in his prime" isn't going to happen. Not a single chance of it.

[Mav]

Originally Posted by Sweet Daddy Hate

The offense you witnessed Thursday makes you proclaim this?

You realize then when assessing a HEAD coach you are factoring in more than just offense?

You are also forgetting something you were very vocal about.

How if Geno struggled, or any team for that matter on a short week that it had to be taken with a grain of salt. And being honest with ourselves, if you looked at the stat sheet, you really wouldn't know that the Chiefs had any problems at all. Over 100 yards rushing Alex Smith threw for 273, all that with no tight ends, McCluster as your slot receiver, Jamaal Charles got dinged in the first half, and Dwayne Bowe, with ONE catch.

All that, and I forgot to mention how bad Eric Fisher looked.

[Alex Smiff]

Originally Posted by duncan_idaho

I like everything about the direction of the franchise, with one exception. I am worried about the QB spot. Other than that, it's gravy.

If Reid isn't married to Alex Smith at this point, that's encouraging. As I've said several times, as a Chiefs fan (with my heart), I hope Alex Smith can take a step up and be better and be a QB worth marrying. I just need to see that before I'll believe it.

Still waiting... still watching... still hoping to see it consistently (and not just in glimpses like we saw Thursday night).

Reid gave up a lot for Smith. I'm pretty sure he's married to him.

[O.city]

I don't get the whole "we're playing Marty ball" talk.

Up to this point, the Chiefs have been a pass first offense that hasn't consistently ran the ball.

[Mav]

Originally Posted by Alex Smiff

Reid gave up a lot for Smith. I'm pretty sure he's married to him.

Looks better today to be married to Alex Smith, rather than Colin Krappypick


Two weeks in a row. AWFUL. if that were alex smith you would be losing your MIND.

[DeezNutz]

Originally Posted by JENKINSWINS

Cassel would've turned the ball over at his own 5 yard line on Thursday night football and lost the game. Alex drove down the field and took 8+ mins off the clock to put the team up 2 scores.

Cassel would have found Bowe for at least one TD in the first three quarters, thus obviating the importance of that single third-down play.

Seriously, we can do this all night.

The Chiefs are indeed 3-0, and this is great. Did they achieve this because of Alex Smith or in spite of him?

Sac is a high-quality poster, and far too bright to be acting as obtuse as he's been in response to my posts. Here's the deal, very pointedly:

What Smith has been "accomplishing" the last three weeks isn't very impressive. He doesn't turn it over! He goes through progressions! Forward progress! He allows his defensive playmakers to dominate! Wait, what?

Anyway, my point is that the bar has been ridiculously lowered for what isn't considered mediocre QB play; Trent Green wipes his ****ing ass with Alex Smith's game film thus far this season.

To me, Andy Reid is making a marvelous case for coach of the year. This is where the real difference lies.

[nychief]

Originally Posted by Alex Smiff

Reid gave up a lot for Smith. I'm pretty sure he's married to him.

I disagree with both assertions.

[duncan_idaho]

Originally Posted by Saccopoo

What concerns?

I mean really. What concerns?

That he's not Matt Stafford?

What do you want?

And not that it matters much, because if you want something more than Smith, you aren't going to get it because Reid has already stated that he's wanted Smith as his QB for a while now and with Smith being 29, he's still got a minimum of five years in his "prime" stage as an NFL QB.

If you want to take a dump on this team and Smith because he's not hitting your expected fantasy numbers then I guess that's your option, but at the end of the day this team is 3-0 with him playing mistake free football.

The hypothetical world of "we'd be so kick ass if we had Elway in his prime" isn't going to happen. Not a single chance of it.

No one is taking a dump on this team because of fantasy numbers. No one is really taking a dump on this team.

What people ARE doing is expressing concerns about Alex Smith's ultimate upside, concerns that if he is JUST a game manager (even a good one), it is going to make it damn hard to do anything of note in postseason play.

What people are saying is that Andy Reid should NOT be tied to Alex Smith if he continues to play at this lukewarm level, that can work in the regular season but is questionable after. That Reid SHOULD be open to upgrading or attempting to upgrade at the position.

[O.city]

Doesn't Reids history pretty much fully show that he is open to that? Do we really think Reid thinks this level of play is what he wants/expects to get from Smith?

[DeezNutz]

In playing this brand of "mistake-free football," how many mistakes is Smith inadvertently making by being too conservative? Seriously, how can anyone watch the first 3 1/2 quarters of Thursday's game and say, "What issues?"

I think they were pretty transparent.*

*3-0.

[duncan_idaho]

Originally Posted by O.city

Doesn't Reids history pretty much fully show that he is open to that? Do we really think Reid thinks this level of play is what he wants/expects to get from Smith?

Yes. And no. I was responding to the bolded below.

Originally Posted by Saccopoo

What concerns?

I mean really. What concerns?

That he's not Matt Stafford?

What do you want?

And not that it matters much, because if you want something more than Smith, you aren't going to get it because Reid has already stated that he's wanted Smith as his QB for a while now and with Smith being 29, he's still got a minimum of five years in his "prime" stage as an NFL QB.

If you want to take a dump on this team and Smith because he's not hitting your expected fantasy numbers then I guess that's your option, but at the end of the day this team is 3-0 with him playing mistake free football.

The hypothetical world of "we'd be so kick ass if we had Elway in his prime" isn't going to happen. Not a single chance of it.

[Saccopoo]

[QUOTE=duncan_idaho;10009602]

Originally Posted by Saccopoo

Sure, the defense is helped by the offense not screwing them consistently. It's also helped considerably by the steps forward taken by guys like Dontari Poe and Eric Berry (whose health and experience seem to be allowing him to finally live up to ALL of the hype rather than 80 percent of it).

But the success of that type of football tends to expire with the end of the regular season and start of the playoffs.

I need to see MORE of Alex Smith making plays in tough spots before I'll believe he can translate that success to the postseason.

"MORE" like what?

Win a Super Bowl and then you'll finally be happy and say he's okay, but I'd still like a Chiefs QB on my Madden team like Vick in his prime?

Sorry, but I don't get the individualized pessimism from some people around here just because he's not bombing for 500 yards per game.

Jim Harbaugh thought the same way and he's now 1-2 with a QB that was so ultra-dynamic and exciting, but, in reality, has thrown for 150 and 127 yards in consecutive weeks and four Ints to zero TDs. The same reason that the Redskins basically went all in for the next five years on trading up for Griffin and now they are one of the worst teams in the league with a historically bad defense that they won't be able to fix because they've pissed away all their first rounders.

A win is a win.

And in the end that's what matters.

Alex Smith, as a starter, over the last three seasons, is 22-5-1. He was in the NFC Championship game in 2011.

That's winning. I don't know what else you want from an objective, realistic standpoint.

[GloryDayz]

Hasn't Pickz-burg given up yet? They have Todd, it's OK to quit...