Royals 2013 Kansas City Royals Repository Thread - Page 96

duncan_idaho · 10:01 AM

Proposed 2013 Slogan: Tigers: They're what's for dinner
Actual 2013 Slogan: Come to Play
A better, more accurate, or alternative slogan: All in, no panic, we promise.

Dayton Moore has pushed all his chips in and is riding on King/Jack suited, hoping it comes together, he gets some good luck, and he hits the nuts by the river card. There's potential, oh yes, there's potential. There's also risk.

At the midway point, Dayton is left counting on the river card. The flop and turn didn't help him, and he's looking at the Tigers holding a pair of Queens and the Indians holding a pair of 9s. His 2013 plan hasn't failed - yet - but the odds are not in his favor.

Burning questions updates below.

Burning Questions for 2013:

1) Will the improve rotation be improved enough? Does James Shields pitch like a fringe No. 1 away from Tampa Bay? Does Ervin Santana pitch to his highest upside in his walk year? Can Jeremy Guthrie build on his strong performance as a Royal in 2012? Can Wade Davis bring his new mentality- and velocity - back to the rotation?

Midseason check-in: Yes, the rotation is certainly improved enough. Shields has pitched like a fringe No. 1 and Santana is having his best season. Guthrie has horrible peripherals but has continued to perform well at his home park and eat innings on the road. Davis brought neither his kick-ass mentality or improved velocity back to the rotation and is in Luke Hochevar/Hiram Davies territory.

2) When will Luke Hochevar be shown the door?
Midseason check-in: It appears, never, at this point. Hochevar has been solid in non-leverage situations, though pretty much every time he has been used with men on base in an inning, it has been a disaster.

3) Does Hosmer bounce back?
Midseason check-in: It took some time, but Hosmer's performance from June 1 on is probably the most encouraging thing about the 2013 season so far.
4) Can Moustakas hit for a whole season like he did in the first half of 2012?
Midseason check-in: Nope. Moustakas was god-awful, then great for about 3 weeks, then god-awful again. He has been better since he started working with Brett and Grafol but still has a long way to go.
5) Who regresses?
Midseason check-in: Welp, Alicides Escobar is not a surprising name here (though Yost's stubborn insistence on hitting him second is ridiculous). Billy Butler is a surprise. He isn't having a terrible year - still contributing a lot to the offense - but he's not hitting for the average or power he has displayed over the past several years.
6) Who plays 2B?
Midseason check-in: A whole bunch of people, and not that great. Gio is at least getting a shot, though he once again is not doing much with it.
7) Can Jeff Francoeur be at least replacement level, rather than epic horrible level?
Midseason check-in: Hahahahahahahahahahaha
8) Will Dayton Moore survive to see 2014?
Midseason check-in: Outlook uncertain. Probably still around, unless the team completely tanks in the second half and he does something foolish. My guess - he sacrifices Ned Yost this offseason and gets one more shot with a new manager in 2014.
9) Will Danny Duffy come back healthy? And if he does, is he the same, better or worse?
Midseason check-in: Yes. Velocity looks the same, and it looks likely he is the same guy as before.
10) And the big one: Has KC added enough to run down the big-money Detroit Tigers?
Midseason check-in: Doesn't look like it, does it?

CoMoChief · 03-13-2013, 11:36 AM

Chen throws slow and sucks.

**alnorth** · 03-13-2013, 11:37 AM

I think we should let Mendoza start, have another lefty in the pen with Chen, and call Hoch our long-reliever instead of Mendoza, but thats probably not what will happen.

KCUnited · 03-13-2013, 11:37 AM

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Originally Posted by BigCatDaddy

I wonder what role they are thinking. Long relief or a 7th inning type guy.

Likely when Chen wears down after 4 2/3.

SPchief · 03-13-2013, 11:44 AM

I'm hoping they moved him there to save face that they made a mistake and end up cutting him after a while.

CoMoChief · 03-13-2013, 11:44 AM

Chen doesn't need to be on this major league club.

he should throw BP if anything at all.

silver5liter · 03-13-2013, 11:54 AM

Danny Parkins ‏@DannyParkins

The #Royals owe Hochevar 1/6 of his $4.65 mil salary if he's on roster Saturday (16 days before opener) All of it if on Opening Day roster.

Danny Parkins ‏@DannyParkins

If the #Royals cut him after Saturday but before opening day they owe him 1/4 of his salary (1.16 million). All of this per @royalsreview

mr. tegu · 03-13-2013, 11:57 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by silver5liter

Danny Parkins ‏@DannyParkins

The #Royals owe Hochevar 1/6 of his $4.65 mil salary if he's on roster Saturday (16 days before opener) All of it if on Opening Day roster.

Danny Parkins ‏@DannyParkins

If the #Royals cut him after Saturday but before opening day they owe him 1/4 of his salary (1.16 million). All of this per @royalsreview

Not bad work if you can get it.

silver5liter · 03-13-2013, 12:02 PM

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Originally Posted by mr. tegu

Not bad work if you can get it.

Id just cut his ass now and save 3 mil

**gblowfish** · 03-13-2013, 12:03 PM

They need to cut Hoch now to keep his losing stench out of the clubhouse. This team needs people who ache to win. Hoch is like Greinke, he's only in it for the $.

Ebolapox · 03-13-2013, 12:04 PM

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Originally Posted by gblowfish

They need to cut Hoch now to keep his losing stench out of the clubhouse. This team needs people who ache to win. Hoch is like Greinke, he's only in it for the $.

you know, except greinke CAN ****ING PITCH WELL.

**gblowfish** · 03-13-2013, 12:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Ebolapox

you know, except greinke CAN ****ING PITCH WELL.

He's not pitching well this week....

Codered · 03-13-2013, 12:15 PM

I don't know if this was posted ... Can this be true!?!?!

http://www.cbssports.com/mlb/blog/ey...var-to-bullpen

Royals move Luke Hochevar to bullpen

Former prized prospect Luke Hochevar will no longer be a member of the Kansas City Royals starting rotation. Royals manager Ned Yost told reporters Wednesday morning that Hochevar will be moved to the bullpen (kansascity.com).

The decision leaves Luis Mendoza and Bruce Chen in competition for the fifth starter job behind James Shields, Jeremy Guthrie, Ervin Santana and Wade Davis. None of those four already in the rotation were with the Royals at this time last year.

Hochevar's demotion is most notable due to the fact that he was the top overall draft pick in 2006 out of the University of Tennessee. He was once viewed as a future ace of the Royals' staff, but has gone 38-59 with a 5.73 ERA and 1.40 ERA in 771 career innings. He led the majors in earned runs allowed last season and is now 29 years old. So, yes, unfortunately the word "bust" can be bandied about here.

Some names that were drafted in the first round after Hochevar in 2006: Evan Longoria, Brandon Morrow, Clayton Kershaw, Tim Lincecum, Max Scherzer, Ian Kennedy.

Then again, in fairness to Hochevar and the Royals, here are some others from that first round: Greg Reynolds (second overall), Billy Rowell, Kasey Kiker, Colten Willems, Maxwell Sapp, Cody Johnson and Jason Place.

Deberg_1990 · 03-13-2013, 12:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Codered

Some names that were drafted in the first round after Hochevar in 2006: Evan Longoria, Brandon Morrow, Clayton Kershaw, Tim Lincecum, Max Scherzer, Ian Kennedy.

Everytime i read this my heart dies a little more.

ChiefsCountry · 03-13-2013, 12:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CoMoChief

Chen doesn't need to be on this major league club.

he should throw BP if anything at all.

Bruce Chen for CY Young Award.

duncan_idaho · 03-13-2013, 12:34 PM

I'm sure the Royals are stubbornly thinking that a magical light switch is still going to come on and Hochevar is going to figure it out and pitch like you'd think he should when watching him throw a side session.

It's insane. But typical of the scout/old school culture in the Royals' front office. He's the modern Bret Tomko.

12-11-2012, 09:59 AM
duncan_idaho M-I-Z-Z-O-U Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Kansas City Casino cash: $1770308	2013 Kansas City Royals Repository Thread Proposed 2013 Slogan: Tigers: They're what's for dinner Actual 2013 Slogan: Come to Play A better, more accurate, or alternative slogan: All in, no panic, we promise. Dayton Moore has pushed all his chips in and is riding on King/Jack suited, hoping it comes together, he gets some good luck, and he hits the nuts by the river card. There's potential, oh yes, there's potential. There's also risk. At the midway point, Dayton is left counting on the river card. The flop and turn didn't help him, and he's looking at the Tigers holding a pair of Queens and the Indians holding a pair of 9s. His 2013 plan hasn't failed - yet - but the odds are not in his favor. Burning questions updates below. Burning Questions for 2013: 1) Will the improve rotation be improved enough? Does James Shields pitch like a fringe No. 1 away from Tampa Bay? Does Ervin Santana pitch to his highest upside in his walk year? Can Jeremy Guthrie build on his strong performance as a Royal in 2012? Can Wade Davis bring his new mentality- and velocity - back to the rotation? Midseason check-in: Yes, the rotation is certainly improved enough. Shields has pitched like a fringe No. 1 and Santana is having his best season. Guthrie has horrible peripherals but has continued to perform well at his home park and eat innings on the road. Davis brought neither his kick-ass mentality or improved velocity back to the rotation and is in Luke Hochevar/Hiram Davies territory. 2) When will Luke Hochevar be shown the door? Midseason check-in: It appears, never, at this point. Hochevar has been solid in non-leverage situations, though pretty much every time he has been used with men on base in an inning, it has been a disaster. 3) Does Hosmer bounce back? Midseason check-in: It took some time, but Hosmer's performance from June 1 on is probably the most encouraging thing about the 2013 season so far. 4) Can Moustakas hit for a whole season like he did in the first half of 2012? Midseason check-in: Nope. Moustakas was god-awful, then great for about 3 weeks, then god-awful again. He has been better since he started working with Brett and Grafol but still has a long way to go. 5) Who regresses? Midseason check-in: Welp, Alicides Escobar is not a surprising name here (though Yost's stubborn insistence on hitting him second is ridiculous). Billy Butler is a surprise. He isn't having a terrible year - still contributing a lot to the offense - but he's not hitting for the average or power he has displayed over the past several years. 6) Who plays 2B? Midseason check-in: A whole bunch of people, and not that great. Gio is at least getting a shot, though he once again is not doing much with it. 7) Can Jeff Francoeur be at least replacement level, rather than epic horrible level? Midseason check-in: Hahahahahahahahahahaha 8) Will Dayton Moore survive to see 2014? Midseason check-in: Outlook uncertain. Probably still around, unless the team completely tanks in the second half and he does something foolish. My guess - he sacrifices Ned Yost this offseason and gets one more shot with a new manager in 2014. 9) Will Danny Duffy come back healthy? And if he does, is he the same, better or worse? Midseason check-in: Yes. Velocity looks the same, and it looks likely he is the same guy as before. 10) And the big one: Has KC added enough to run down the big-money Detroit Tigers? Midseason check-in: Doesn't look like it, does it? Last edited by duncan_idaho; 07-15-2013 at 10:01 AM..
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03-13-2013, 11:54 AM	#1431
silver5liter ROCK CHALK JAYHAWK Join Date: Jul 2012 Casino cash: $10005135	Danny Parkins ‏@DannyParkins The #Royals owe Hochevar 1/6 of his $4.65 mil salary if he's on roster Saturday (16 days before opener) All of it if on Opening Day roster. Danny Parkins ‏@DannyParkins If the #Royals cut him after Saturday but before opening day they owe him 1/4 of his salary (1.16 million). All of this per @royalsreview
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03-13-2013, 12:03 PM	#1434
gblowfish Be Kind To Your Pets Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Glorious Independence, MO Casino cash: $17686178 VARSITY	They need to cut Hoch now to keep his losing stench out of the clubhouse. This team needs people who ache to win. Hoch is like Greinke, he's only in it for the $.
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03-13-2013, 12:15 PM	#1437
Codered Starter Join Date: Dec 2003 Casino cash: $8888190	I don't know if this was posted ... Can this be true!?!?! http://www.cbssports.com/mlb/blog/ey...var-to-bullpen Royals move Luke Hochevar to bullpen Former prized prospect Luke Hochevar will no longer be a member of the Kansas City Royals starting rotation. Royals manager Ned Yost told reporters Wednesday morning that Hochevar will be moved to the bullpen (kansascity.com). The decision leaves Luis Mendoza and Bruce Chen in competition for the fifth starter job behind James Shields, Jeremy Guthrie, Ervin Santana and Wade Davis. None of those four already in the rotation were with the Royals at this time last year. Hochevar's demotion is most notable due to the fact that he was the top overall draft pick in 2006 out of the University of Tennessee. He was once viewed as a future ace of the Royals' staff, but has gone 38-59 with a 5.73 ERA and 1.40 ERA in 771 career innings. He led the majors in earned runs allowed last season and is now 29 years old. So, yes, unfortunately the word "bust" can be bandied about here. Some names that were drafted in the first round after Hochevar in 2006: Evan Longoria, Brandon Morrow, Clayton Kershaw, Tim Lincecum, Max Scherzer, Ian Kennedy. Then again, in fairness to Hochevar and the Royals, here are some others from that first round: Greg Reynolds (second overall), Billy Rowell, Kasey Kiker, Colten Willems, Maxwell Sapp, Cody Johnson and Jason Place.
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03-13-2013, 12:34 PM	#1440
duncan_idaho M-I-Z-Z-O-U Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Kansas City Casino cash: $1770308	I'm sure the Royals are stubbornly thinking that a magical light switch is still going to come on and Hochevar is going to figure it out and pitch like you'd think he should when watching him throw a side session. It's insane. But typical of the scout/old school culture in the Royals' front office. He's the modern Bret Tomko. __________________ "You gotta love livin', cause dying is a pain in the ass." ---- Sinatra
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