Chiefs Late night bullshit: The QB position, and our first 3 draft picks. - Page 3

Direckshun · 03-14-2012, 09:50 PM

The Chiefs came into this offseason determined to do something different at the QB position. Whether it was to bring in a new QB altogether, trade up and get one early in the NFL Draft, or even if they felt the need to trot out Cassel one more year (which at this point, seems inevitable), to at least give him some competition.

This much openness to change at the QB position leaves only one possible option as unacceptable: going into the 2012 season with a completely unchanged depth chart.

Cassel and Stanzi, the team's current QBs, is that completely unchanged depth chart. Worse yet, it is not yet clear that Stanzi can provide Cassel the competition that Crennel and Pioli are constantly talking about.

As a result, that competition for Cassel needs to come from the NFL Draft.

Fortunately, the NFL Draft has one player where we can find somebody who really can push Cassel. Not merely come on board and provide Cassel a backup -- I'm talking about somebody that can immediately push Cassel for that starting position in an open competition, though I'm relatively certain Cassel would still win out.

Luck and Griffin are out of the question, and Tannehill is currently set to be drastically overdrafted in the draft's first ten picks. (Should Tannehill "fall" to 11, I'm certain this is a pick the Chiefs need to make, but he's probably going much earlier...)

I bring this all up because I've watched some Oklahoma State tape over the past two days to brush up on a few players like Levy Adcock, and I'm telling you right now: if OK State's Brandon Weeden was five years younger, he's a first round pick.

Fortunately for us in kind of a weird way, he isn't. He's soon to be 29. But that should be enough to drop him, his arm, and his talent down into the second round. The Chiefs would be getting "good enough" value by selecting him with their second round pick. And when it comes to quarterbacks, "good enough" value is more than good enough.

Weeden is really talented. He can make all the throws, and boasts a top five arm in this year's draft. He can also read defenses pretty well, though it was in OK State's run-and-shoot system. Nonetheless, if the Chiefs feel that Weeden is the better talent than Cassel in the preseason, Daboll clearly has the flexibility to adjust the offense to bring Weeden along. Weeden is also an incredibly clutch performer who plays his best in the fourth quarter (and overtime). He beat Griffin, Tannehill, and Luck in games this year. He possesses a killer instinct and loves going for the jugular. Being a mere game manager is not in his DNA.

Weeden doesn't provide us a franchise QB for 10 years. He doesn't. But he does provide us the opportunity to get more out of our QB position for the upcoming year while this team continues to assemble and develop its talent every else. It's not incredibly clear what this team could do at the QB position in 2013 and beyond, but this team cannot afford to do the same thing at the QB position and expect different results. Weeden is a shot of cocaine into our QB depth chart. He'll no doubt challenge Stanzi to get better, as well.

If this team wants Weeden, they can probably expect him to fall to their 2nd round pick. (He lasted until the 3rd round pick in the CP Mock, but that's just too much of a risk to wait for someone you want to challenge Cassel.)

That could be an issue for this team's drafting ambitions. It's clear now that Soliai has resigned with Miami, that this team needs NT help in the worst way, and I've been targeting Washington University's NT Alameda Ta'amu with our second round pick.

There's no telling what NT options are available with our third round pick (maybe Josh Chapman will be there, maybe not...). And guys like Jean-Baptiste and Fangupo are purely developmental guys.

So, well. Let's take the plunge with Dontari Poe in the first round. We've got the defensive head coach, talent developer extraordinaire. I know Poe didn't show much in terms of anchoring at Memphis, but with his extraordinary strength and his amazing athleticism, as well as his astonishing size. Put the idea before Crennel -- if the guy signs off, I'm in. If not, I'm comfortable with dropping coin on Casey Hampton when the Steelers inevitably cut him.

That does mean that we've spent our first two picks on nose and QB. The third pick means that we have to go right tackle.

Fortunately, the value in OTs on the draft's second day allows us to do that. Bobbie Massie, Zebrie Sanders, Andrew Datko, Kelechi Osmele, Mitchell Schwartz, Levy Adcock, and Brandon Mosley. Tons of talent that should fall to the Chiefs for a solid right tackle for the next ten years at the right tackle position.

My general idea is:

1st: Poe
2nd: Weeden
3rd: Schwartz

What say ye, tl;dr crowd?

Lex Luthor · 03-15-2012, 07:10 AM

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Originally Posted by King_Chief_Fan

holy crap

Gabbert can't challenge Cassel.

Hey, LOTS of guys ran the spread offense in college and went on to be great NFL quarterbacks for many years. For instance, you have, well, um, never mind.

Hydrae · 03-15-2012, 07:13 AM

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Originally Posted by carlos3652

I say - Trade completely out of the first, pick up an additional 2nd this year and a 1st next year.

2nd Rounders -
Washington University's NT Alameda Ta'amu
Stanford TE Coby Fleener

3rd Rounder -
Brandon Brooks, G, Miami (Ohio)

Next year - 2 #1's - get our QB.

This if* we sign Winston, Tolbert and Boss.

The bolded part is the plan I have been supporting for a couple of months now.

One question, if we pick up Boss, why are you drafting a TE in the second round?

**OnTheWarpath15** · 03-15-2012, 07:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Direckshun

Keep in mind, if you're saying no to Weeden, you have no other real options to push Cassel.

Sad that you think Weeden is an option to push Cassel.

We'd all be better off if we'd just wake up and realize that unless by some act of God, Peyton Manning comes walking through the door, this team isn't going to sniff a playoff win, much less a SB in the next few years.

With that said, there's no reason to chase a bad decision (Cassel) with another bad decision (another mediocre QB)

carlos3652 · 03-15-2012, 07:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Hydrae

The bolded part is the plan I have been supporting for a couple of months now.

One question, if we pick up Boss, why are you drafting a TE in the second round?

Our TE is injury Prone - I like to have 3 TE on the roster just in case one of them brakes.

Plus if we have casshole this year we will see a lot of 2 rb, 2 te, 1 wr and 1 rb 2 te, 2 wr sets

**the Talking Can** · 03-15-2012, 07:31 AM

wait...your fix is drafting a DT that admittedly doesn't fit our scheme, and then draft a 30 yr old rookie QB?

no thanks

Danman · 03-15-2012, 07:59 AM

The more I see this year's QB that would be available, the more I like Wilson in the draft next year.

**Dave Lane** · 03-15-2012, 08:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Direckshun

Keep in mind, if you're saying no to Weeden, you have no other real options to push Cassel.

I'm cool with Weeden. No to Tannehill who I think it totally bust material.

**Dave Lane** · 03-15-2012, 08:04 AM

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Originally Posted by King_Chief_Fan

holy crap

Gabbert can't challenge Cassel.

Gabbert > Tannehill

Mr_Tomahawk · 03-15-2012, 08:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Dave Lane

Gabbert > Tannehill

Hardly.

**Dave Lane** · 03-15-2012, 08:25 AM

I like Foles personally but Weeden is fine with me in the 2nd.

Sofa King · 03-15-2012, 08:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Dave Lane

I like Foles personally but Weeden is fine with me in the 2nd.

Shit, i want his receivers!! wowzers!

Dr. Gigglepants · 03-15-2012, 09:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Nightfyre

I just want to throw this out there: If the Bronco's flip tebow to JAX, we should make a move for Gabbert. Throw like a second or third at them for him.

Hell no. I still feel like I just got away from this guy, please don't bring him here.
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Dr. Gigglepants · 03-15-2012, 09:59 AM

Question, this may be dumb. Doesn't it pretty much tip our hand that we're going QB in the draft (at some point) if we don't pick one up in free agency? I guess we could only have 2 qb's on the roster but that's rare isn't it?
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**The Franchise** · 03-15-2012, 10:03 AM

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Originally Posted by Dr. Gigglepants

Question, this may be dumb. Doesn't it pretty much tip our hand that we're going QB in the draft (at some point) if we don't pick one up in free agency? I guess we could only have 2 qb's on the roster but that's rare isn't it?
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**RealSNR** · 03-15-2012, 10:03 AM

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Originally Posted by Dave Lane

I like Foles personally but Weeden is fine with me in the 2nd.

Foles would certainly be competition for Cassel.

................at checking down to the RB or throwing worthless bubble screens

03-14-2012, 09:50 PM
Direckshun __ Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Springpatch Casino cash: $4273447	Late night bullshit: The QB position, and our first 3 draft picks. The Chiefs came into this offseason determined to do something different at the QB position. Whether it was to bring in a new QB altogether, trade up and get one early in the NFL Draft, or even if they felt the need to trot out Cassel one more year (which at this point, seems inevitable), to at least give him some competition. This much openness to change at the QB position leaves only one possible option as unacceptable: going into the 2012 season with a completely unchanged depth chart. Cassel and Stanzi, the team's current QBs, is that completely unchanged depth chart. Worse yet, it is not yet clear that Stanzi can provide Cassel the competition that Crennel and Pioli are constantly talking about. As a result, that competition for Cassel needs to come from the NFL Draft. Fortunately, the NFL Draft has one player where we can find somebody who really can push Cassel. Not merely come on board and provide Cassel a backup -- I'm talking about somebody that can immediately push Cassel for that starting position in an open competition, though I'm relatively certain Cassel would still win out. Luck and Griffin are out of the question, and Tannehill is currently set to be drastically overdrafted in the draft's first ten picks. (Should Tannehill "fall" to 11, I'm certain this is a pick the Chiefs need to make, but he's probably going much earlier...) I bring this all up because I've watched some Oklahoma State tape over the past two days to brush up on a few players like Levy Adcock, and I'm telling you right now: if OK State's Brandon Weeden was five years younger, he's a first round pick. Fortunately for us in kind of a weird way, he isn't. He's soon to be 29. But that should be enough to drop him, his arm, and his talent down into the second round. The Chiefs would be getting "good enough" value by selecting him with their second round pick. And when it comes to quarterbacks, "good enough" value is more than good enough. Weeden is really talented. He can make all the throws, and boasts a top five arm in this year's draft. He can also read defenses pretty well, though it was in OK State's run-and-shoot system. Nonetheless, if the Chiefs feel that Weeden is the better talent than Cassel in the preseason, Daboll clearly has the flexibility to adjust the offense to bring Weeden along. Weeden is also an incredibly clutch performer who plays his best in the fourth quarter (and overtime). He beat Griffin, Tannehill, and Luck in games this year. He possesses a killer instinct and loves going for the jugular. Being a mere game manager is not in his DNA. Weeden doesn't provide us a franchise QB for 10 years. He doesn't. But he does provide us the opportunity to get more out of our QB position for the upcoming year while this team continues to assemble and develop its talent every else. It's not incredibly clear what this team could do at the QB position in 2013 and beyond, but this team cannot afford to do the same thing at the QB position and expect different results. Weeden is a shot of cocaine into our QB depth chart. He'll no doubt challenge Stanzi to get better, as well. If this team wants Weeden, they can probably expect him to fall to their 2nd round pick. (He lasted until the 3rd round pick in the CP Mock, but that's just too much of a risk to wait for someone you want to challenge Cassel.) That could be an issue for this team's drafting ambitions. It's clear now that Soliai has resigned with Miami, that this team needs NT help in the worst way, and I've been targeting Washington University's NT Alameda Ta'amu with our second round pick. There's no telling what NT options are available with our third round pick (maybe Josh Chapman will be there, maybe not...). And guys like Jean-Baptiste and Fangupo are purely developmental guys. So, well. Let's take the plunge with Dontari Poe in the first round. We've got the defensive head coach, talent developer extraordinaire. I know Poe didn't show much in terms of anchoring at Memphis, but with his extraordinary strength and his amazing athleticism, as well as his astonishing size. Put the idea before Crennel -- if the guy signs off, I'm in. If not, I'm comfortable with dropping coin on Casey Hampton when the Steelers inevitably cut him. That does mean that we've spent our first two picks on nose and QB. The third pick means that we have to go right tackle. Fortunately, the value in OTs on the draft's second day allows us to do that. Bobbie Massie, Zebrie Sanders, Andrew Datko, Kelechi Osmele, Mitchell Schwartz, Levy Adcock, and Brandon Mosley. Tons of talent that should fall to the Chiefs for a solid right tackle for the next ten years at the right tackle position. My general idea is: 1st: Poe 2nd: Weeden 3rd: Schwartz What say ye, tl;dr crowd?
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03-15-2012, 07:31 AM	#35
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Dr. Gigglepants Veteran Join Date: Apr 2011 Casino cash: $2202400	Question, this may be dumb. Doesn't it pretty much tip our hand that we're going QB in the draft (at some point) if we don't pick one up in free agency? I guess we could only have 2 qb's on the roster but that's rare isn't it? Posted via Mobile Device
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