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Old 01-16-2015, 08:06 PM  
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Why Would Any Team Hire a Defensive-Minded Head Coach?
I don't get it.
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Old 01-16-2015, 09:58 PM   #46
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Marty was NOT a fraud.

He was what he was: A tough, hard nosed coach that believed in fundamental football. Running, tackling, sacking the quarterback and playing hard. He never sold himself as anything else.

Unfortunately for him, the rules of the game changed and he became a dinosaur.

But to call him a fraud is disingenuous.
Okay he was a joke? Coward? Spineless? Gutless? Clueless?

Take your pick. He is a loser and always will be a loser. He was Elways bitch time and time again.
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Old 01-16-2015, 09:59 PM   #47
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I don't understand why newly hired coaches get more than a one year contract.
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Old 01-16-2015, 09:59 PM   #48
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Marty was an excellent teacher and communicator, but his teams lacked discipline (KC's penalties under him were always out of control) and he coached afraid.
Monday night meltdown.

Bubby brister wrecked Marty's chiefs that night.
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Old 01-16-2015, 10:17 PM   #49
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There are two kinds of defensive-minded HCs.

The ones you don't want are the guys who know nothing about offense, or who actively despise it like Herm or Rex Ryan. Shit, Tony Dungy was basically that guy until he fell ass over teakettle into Peyton Manning

There are also defensive head coaches who are comfortable with being aggressive and who embrace a modern offense. Belichick, Riverboat Ron, Mike Tomlin are all good examples.

But if I ever hear a coach talking about the need to establish the running game and play good defense, I'm out, because that guy is a ****ing dinosaur.
We may not hear a guy like Carroll extolling those virtues, but its what he has built the world champions around... play great defense and be able to break a teams will with your run game.

He may have tempered those principles with a guy like Wilson and some creative offense based off his mobility... but they're still built on a badass defense and a soul crushing run game.

I honestly dont think either of those things will EVER go out of style in the NFL, regardless of Goodells rule tinkering.

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Yeah, those Broncos were tough this year
They were tough enough on the Chiefs this year and last...

Stonewalled our pass rush atleast two years in a row now, its not like I'm happy to report this in any way whatsoever... but if they were soft what does that make the Chiefs?

Top pass defense, top rated redzone defense... none of that helped our team even get close to smacking fivehead upside his blindside.
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Old 01-16-2015, 10:46 PM   #50
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We may not hear a guy like Carroll extolling those virtues, but its what he has built the world champions around... play great defense and be able to break a teams will with your run game...
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From Pete himself:

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“Whenever we’re running the ball a lot, then we’re fine . . . that’s really important to the make-up of our team,” Carroll said. “So when it’s not there, we all felt it.”
http://sportspressnw.com/2191193/201...ack-to-the-run

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“One game at a time. We’re doing things the way we want to do and we’re playing defense the way we want. We’re committing to the running game. We’re taking care of the football; we did not turn the ball over again, which is such a winning aspect of our play. We’re just going to try and keep going. We have another game to see what we can do.”
http://blogs.seattletimes.com/seahaw...ete-carroll-4/


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Numbers are from Pro-football-reference.com
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Old 01-16-2015, 10:59 PM   #51
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Its not like offensive minded coaches have a better track record.

See Norv Turner, Charlie Weis, Marty Mornhinwg, Steve Mariucci, etc.
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Old 01-16-2015, 11:08 PM   #52
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Okay he was a joke? Coward? Spineless? Gutless? Clueless?

Take your pick. He is a loser and always will be a loser. He was Elways bitch time and time again.
Marty is not a loser. That's absurd. His 1960's philosophy didn't translate to the 90's or 2000's and he was too stubborn to change his ways.

But he was not a loser.
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Marty is not a loser. That's absurd. His 1960's philosophy didn't translate to the 90's or 2000's and he was too stubborn to change his ways.

But he was not a loser.
It didn't necessarily not translate.....sorta.

He won alot of regular season games and put together really great teams but just couldn't win the big one.

Yeah, don't see how you can call him a loser though. He won everywhere he went. Just seemed to have a playoff mental block.
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Old 01-16-2015, 11:17 PM   #54
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It didn't necessarily not translate.....sorta.

He won alot of regular season games and put together really great teams but just couldn't win the big one.

Yeah, don't see how you can call him a loser though. He won everywhere he went. Just seemed to have a playoff mental block.
Marty always did more with less in the regular season but he rarely had enough talent come playoff time.
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Marty always did more with less in the regular season but he rarely had enough talent come playoff time.
He just never had the QB here in KC or atleast never trusted the one he had.

Trusted Kickers though...
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Absolutely




From Pete himself:



http://sportspressnw.com/2191193/201...ack-to-the-run



http://blogs.seattletimes.com/seahaw...ete-carroll-4/


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2013 numbers
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2012 numbers
536 rushing plays
405 passing plays

Numbers are from Pro-football-reference.com
There it is, proof that defense and running is the heart of that team, though I doubt anyone would truly doubt it even without those quotes and stats... its one of those things that keep me loving football, some things are never going to change no matter how hard Goodell tries.

If you can smack the other team in the mouth harder than they're capable of/willing to smack back in either one of those areas... you win that game 90% of the time.
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Marty always did more with less in the regular season but he rarely had enough talent come playoff time.
When Marty had the better QB he normally won in the playoffs sans the 2004 year. Marino, Elway and Kelly were just better than Bernie Kosar, Steve DeBerg and Dave Krieg types. Marty and Marino would have been a damn tough combo to beat.
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When Marty had the better QB he normally won in the playoffs sans the 2004 year. Marino, Elway and Kelly were just better than Bernie Kosar, Steve DeBerg and Dave Krieg types. Marty and Marino would have been a damn tough combo to beat.
Yep. It's really silly to say that Marty was a "loser". Frank Gansz was a loser. Tom Pratt was a loser.

Marty was a very good coach that never got over the hump. That happens in sports.
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