Food and Drink Cast Iron Cookware Questions

Dinny Bossa Nova · 08-20-2009, 05:10 PM

I read somewhere on the internet (so it has to be true) that if you are going to use tomatoes in the pot of gruel you're whompin' up, you should avoid black cast iron dutch ovens and skillets. They suggest enameled cast iron.

Is this blasphemy or some other kind of hooey?

And if I am using enameled cast iron, am I using cast iron?

I have been shopping cast iron cookware, focusing on large dutch ovens. I have a few black skillets that I love that I use for frying.

I just want an ~8-12 quart cast iron dutch oven, and need advice on the enameled/tomato thing.

Thanks in advance, sorry if repost.

Dinny

**Fire Me Boy!** · 08-20-2009, 05:15 PM

The acid in the tomatoes can leach out the iron. It'll give the tomatoes a metallic taste. Use enameled if you're wanting to cook anything acidic in cast iron.

Even enameled cast iron is superior to non cast iron.

I love cast iron. Love. Love, love, love.

EyePod · 08-21-2009, 11:14 AM

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Originally Posted by Fire Me Boy!

The acid in the tomatoes can leach out the iron. It'll give the tomatoes a metallic taste. Use enameled if you're wanting to cook anything acidic in cast iron.

Even enameled cast iron is superior to non cast iron.

I love cast iron. Love. Love, love, love.

Weird, I just use the regular ones when I could some chicken up in hot sauce and that turns out just fine without that metallic flavor...

**Fire Me Boy!** · 08-21-2009, 11:27 AM

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Originally Posted by EyePod

Weird, I just use the regular ones when I could some chicken up in hot sauce and that turns out just fine without that metallic flavor...

It just leaches some of the iron out, which can give it a funky flavor. But like I also said, if the pan is seasoned well at all, it shouldn't be a problem.

I would add, as it hasn't been mentioned yet, that despite whether your food tastes good or not in a cast iron pan, do NOT store tomato-based foods in cast iron. It will pit, it will ruin the seasoning and it will rust.

It won't ruin the pan, as you can take steel wool or sandpaper and get rid of the rust, but you'll have to re-season it a couple times before you use it again.

**Fire Me Boy!** · 08-20-2009, 05:16 PM

On another note, once you've got a really well seasoned cast iron dutch oven, the acid in tomatoes won't be a problem. Cook away.

On a completely unrelated note, you should feel free to use tomatoes when doing a dutch rudder, or double dutch rudder.

Dinny Bossa Nova · 08-20-2009, 05:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Fire Me Boy!

On another note, once you've got a really well seasoned cast iron dutch oven, the acid in tomatoes won't be a problem. Cook away.

On a completely unrelated note, you should feel free to use tomatoes when doing a dutch rudder, or double dutch rudder.

Nobody knows what a double dutch rudder is.

Dinny

**Gonzo** · 08-20-2009, 08:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Dinny Blues

Nobody knows what a double dutch rudder is.

Dinny

I gave Lumpy a double dutch oven the other night...

(but that's a completely different conversation)
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**Fire Me Boy!** · 08-20-2009, 05:33 PM

Go to 1:05.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bfQk34rY6ck

orangeuawitch · 08-20-2009, 05:36 PM

So many of the old cooking styles are obsolete now. Who needs a double dutch rudder?

RJ · 08-20-2009, 05:40 PM

I'm cooking a pot roast as we speak in a Le Creuset 7 qt. enameled dutch oven. FMB thinks Le Creuset is overpriced and he may be right (I got this piece in a sales promotion) but this really is a remarkable piece of cookware. Even, consistent heat, very durable and cleans up easily.

I usually put tomatoes in a midwestern chili that I make in a regular cast iron dutch oven, haven't detected any metallic taste. Might be different with a marinara sauce, though. In chili the tomato flavor is surrounded by lots of other stuff.

If there is a World Market store in your area, I've seen some reasonably priced enameled cast iron there.

http://www.worldmarket.com/home/index.jsp

**Fire Me Boy!** · 08-20-2009, 07:17 PM

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Originally Posted by RJ

I'm cooking a pot roast as we speak in a Le Creuset 7 qt. enameled dutch oven. FMB thinks Le Creuset is overpriced and he may be right (I got this piece in a sales promotion) but this really is a remarkable piece of cookware. Even, consistent heat, very durable and cleans up easily.

I usually put tomatoes in a midwestern chili that I make in a regular cast iron dutch oven, haven't detected any metallic taste. Might be different with a marinara sauce, though. In chili the tomato flavor is surrounded by lots of other stuff.

If there is a World Market store in your area, I've seen some reasonably priced enameled cast iron there.

http://www.worldmarket.com/home/index.jsp

Le Creuset is great, there's no doubt. But if you'd bought that dutch over outright you'd probably have spent $230. While Lodge is not as good, it is still very good, and at $50 for essentially the same thing comes out to be a superior product. At least that's my opinion.

And I'll add that Cooks Illustrated backs me up on that. They rated Le Creuset as the best performing cast iron, with 3 stars across the board, and "highly recommended." They rated Lodge, available at Wal-Mart and Target, with 3 stars across the board, and the "clear winner" because of the price difference. It was also rated as "highly recommended" above the Le Creuset.

Now, if I had the opportunity to get Le Creuset even at double the price of Lodge, I'd jump on it in a heartbeat. But, I'll take a somewhat lesser product for a fraction of the cost and be happy.

You seriously should be able to buy a good enameled cast iron from Target or Wal-Mart for $50 or thereabouts.

All cast iron has even cooking. Heat absorption/retention quality is a trait of the metal because of its mass. I've used "really" cheap cast iron that had better and more consistent heating than $70 pans.

Plus, you gotta love that cast iron will literally outlive you. Every time I'm at a flea market or a garage sale I'm looking for cast iron. Not only will it last forever, the stuff that 50-60 years old usually has 50-60 years of seasoning on. That shit makes car batteries taste good.

For a pot roast, I would personally use a regular cast iron dutch oven, if it were available. Something like that with just a little braising liquid would help season a good piece of cast iron cookware.

Like I said before, if your cast iron is seasoned well at all, the light acidity from tomatoes wouldn't do anything, so that's probably why you've never tasted the difference. When I first got into cast iron I did a tomato salsa Santa Fe chili sort of thing with a brand new pan and could definitely sense the metallic taste. Now, I'd cook just about anything in my cast iron. The seasoning on them kicks ass.

I still use my cast iron a lot, but I've most recently gotten into using carbon steel pans. Fell in love with a carbon steel wok, and the cookware is sturdy as hell, cheap as it gets, and professional quality.

**Buehler445** · 08-20-2009, 07:20 PM

I think if it is seasoned well, it should be fine.

RJ · 08-20-2009, 07:37 PM

FMB is The Man when it comes to cast iron.

**Fire Me Boy!** · 08-20-2009, 08:26 PM

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Originally Posted by RJ

FMB is The Man when it comes to cast iron.

It's an obsession. I'm OK with that.

If it can be cooked in cast iron, it should be cooked in cast iron.

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Originally Posted by cdcox

I'm going to make some oven roux in my cast iron skillet on Saturday. GUMBO FTW!

Let me know how that turns out. I still haven't tried it, but that may be a Sunday chore. I love me some gumbo.

**cdcox** · 08-22-2009, 02:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Fire Me Boy!

Let me know how that turns out. I still haven't tried it, but that may be a Sunday chore. I love me some gumbo.

This works for roux.

I used 1 cup flour and 1 cup canola in a cast iron skillet in a 350 oven. Stirred every 20 minutes for about 1 hour 40 min. I think I quit before it got to the brick stage. The flour kept settling out leaving a layer of oil on top. But I'd stir it back in and put it back in the oven. Threw my uncooked trinity in the roux at the end to sop up the extra oil.

This might be interesting to try again with a little less oil.

Gumbo is about an hour away.

08-20-2009, 05:10 PM	Topic Starter
Dinny Bossa Nova MVP Join Date: Nov 2001 Casino cash: $9990442	Cast Iron Cookware Questions I read somewhere on the internet (so it has to be true) that if you are going to use tomatoes in the pot of gruel you're whompin' up, you should avoid black cast iron dutch ovens and skillets. They suggest enameled cast iron. Is this blasphemy or some other kind of hooey? And if I am using enameled cast iron, am I using cast iron? I have been shopping cast iron cookware, focusing on large dutch ovens. I have a few black skillets that I love that I use for frying. I just want an ~8-12 quart cast iron dutch oven, and need advice on the enameled/tomato thing. Thanks in advance, sorry if repost. Dinny
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08-20-2009, 05:15 PM	#2
Fire Me Boy! Cast Iron Jedi Join Date: Nov 2004 Casino cash: $9999900 VARSITY	The acid in the tomatoes can leach out the iron. It'll give the tomatoes a metallic taste. Use enameled if you're wanting to cook anything acidic in cast iron. Even enameled cast iron is superior to non cast iron. I love cast iron. Love. Love, love, love.
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08-20-2009, 05:16 PM	#5
Fire Me Boy! Cast Iron Jedi Join Date: Nov 2004 Casino cash: $9999900 VARSITY	On another note, once you've got a really well seasoned cast iron dutch oven, the acid in tomatoes won't be a problem. Cook away. On a completely unrelated note, you should feel free to use tomatoes when doing a dutch rudder, or double dutch rudder.
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08-20-2009, 05:33 PM	#8
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08-20-2009, 05:36 PM	#9
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08-20-2009, 05:40 PM	#10
RJ Supporter Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: In a shotgun shack Casino cash: $9965202	I'm cooking a pot roast as we speak in a Le Creuset 7 qt. enameled dutch oven. FMB thinks Le Creuset is overpriced and he may be right (I got this piece in a sales promotion) but this really is a remarkable piece of cookware. Even, consistent heat, very durable and cleans up easily. I usually put tomatoes in a midwestern chili that I make in a regular cast iron dutch oven, haven't detected any metallic taste. Might be different with a marinara sauce, though. In chili the tomato flavor is surrounded by lots of other stuff. If there is a World Market store in your area, I've seen some reasonably priced enameled cast iron there. http://www.worldmarket.com/home/index.jsp
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08-20-2009, 07:20 PM	#12
Buehler445 Supporter Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Scott City KS Casino cash: $2184734	I think if it is seasoned well, it should be fine.
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08-20-2009, 07:37 PM	#13
RJ Supporter Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: In a shotgun shack Casino cash: $9965202	FMB is The Man when it comes to cast iron.
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