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Old 04-03-2014, 05:00 AM  
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Restating the obvious, Dorsey learned from Ted Thompson
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2014/04/03/packers-prefer-compensatory-picks-over-unrestricted-free-agents/


Packers General Manager Ted Thompson has a formula for building his team, and he’s sticking with it.

Thompson believes in building through the draft, not free agency, and that includes acquiring more draft picks by declining to sign unrestricted free agents. In the NFL, teams that lose more in free agency than they acquire get compensatory picks, and the Packers’ moves in free agency this year indicate that they’re already thinking about acquiring compensatory picks for next year. The NFL doesn’t public the precise formula used to determine compensatory picks, but the simple version is that if the unrestricted free agents you lose are better, higher-paid players than the unrestricted free agents you sign, then the NFL will compensate you the following year with compensatory picks.

As the Green Bay Press-Gazette points out, even the one big name the Packers have signed this offseason, Julius Peppers, was a free agent because he was released by the Bears, not because his previous contract expired. That means he won’t count as an unrestricted free agent addition for the Packers for the purpose of determining their compensatory picks next year.

Last year the Packers lost two key players, receiver Greg Jennings and linebacker Erik Walden, as unrestricted free agents. And the Packers didn’t sign any unrestricted free agents last year. As a result, this year they’re getting an extra third-round pick and an extra fifth-round pick as compensatory selections.

This year the Packers have again not signed away any players whose previous contract expired, but they have lost four players, center Evan Dietrich-Smith, receiver James Jones, defensive lineman C.J. Wilson and offensive lineman Marshall Newhouse. That means the Packers will almost certainly do well when the compensatory picks are passed out a year from now.

Building through the draft and declining to overspend in free agency would be a smart strategy even if the NFL didn’t have a compensatory pick system to reward frugal teams. But when compensatory picks are added to the equation, it’s easy to see why Thompson declines to go after free agents. The Packers have been successful this way. It’s surprising more teams haven’t copied them.


May not be popular here but Dorsey is doing exactly the same thing Thompson and Ozzie Newsome are doing, stockpile draft picks and let UFAs get overpaid elsewhere.
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Old 04-04-2014, 02:52 PM   #376
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I am in full agreement with you and htis that the big thing to be skeptical about is execution. I just don't understand all the skepticism that even if they draft well (don't have to even hit home runs... just have to draft well consecutively), why this isn't a strategy that will work. Seattle is an extreme example of it working, but there are plenty of teams with more realistic success stories.
You're definitely not understanding me.

If they draft well, it WILL work. That's almost guaranteed.

I'm not convinced, after 30 years of being a Chiefs fan, that ANYBODY will draft well in KC with any consistency.
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Old 04-04-2014, 02:55 PM   #377
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You're definitely not understanding me.

If they draft well, it WILL work. That's almost guaranteed.

I'm not convinced, after 30 years of being a Chiefs fan, that ANYBODY will draft well in KC with any consistency.
Looking back Carl didn't do a bad job drafting...
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Old 04-04-2014, 03:00 PM   #378
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****. I forgot about that...
dam, my bad.


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Carl did a terrible job drafting from about '95 until he was fired. A couple of home run picks and a whole bunch of nothing.
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Carl did a terrible job drafting from about '95 until he was fired. A couple of home run picks and a whole bunch of nothing.
He doesn't get credit for Herm's drafts? He was still the GM.

Most the talent on this team was from Peterson drafts...
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Carl did a terrible job drafting from about '95 until he was fired. A couple of home run picks and a whole bunch of nothing.
The 96 draft was pretty good.

The rest of it was basically Tony Gonzales and nobody else...
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He doesn't get credit for Herm's drafts? He was still the GM.

Most the talent on this team was from Peterson drafts...
Bill Kuharich was in charge of personnel. Carl was focused on being just the President.
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Bill Kuharich was in charge of personnel. Carl was focused on being just the President.
That's right. He came on when Herm did, didn't he?...
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That's right. He came on when Herm did, didn't he?...
He might have actually been here with DV too. I don't really remember.
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You're definitely not understanding me.

If they draft well, it WILL work. That's almost guaranteed.

I'm not convinced, after 30 years of being a Chiefs fan, that ANYBODY will draft well in KC with any consistency.
The Seattle Seahawks have never won a SB since they were founded in 1976. I have no reason to believe they will ever win one.- Seahawks fan 2012.
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The Seattle Seahawks have never won a SB since they were founded in 1976. I have no reason to believe they will ever win one.- Seahawks fan 2012.
You act as if said Seahawks fan wouldn't have been COMPLETELY ****ING JUSTIFIED feeling that way in 2012.
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Teams can draft very well, and still not win.

The 49ers drafted well in 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010.

It didn't matter until they got the right coach to push them to their potential.

Just like if you have great coaching, and draft poorly, you will fail.

See the cowboys of the bill parcells era if you want to know what I mean.
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Well, we can't. The most any team can get is 4.
Only Albert likely played enough snaps to even qualify for a comp pick. If we're lucky Asamoah.

You understand that number of snaps and starts also enter in to the equation, right?

And 3rd round comp picks are usually for upper tier players. Guys like Byrd or Jarred Allen. Odds are we get a 4th for Albert.



We aren't Seattle.

We won't turn a possible 2 low round draft choices into 3 starters/contributors. And even if we could those choices come NEXT YEAR, not this year.

Those G/C/Nickel holes will still be there THIS year...
The comp pick has a heavy basis on value of the new contract and teams that lost more players than they gained are rewarded more handsomely. The chiefs should get a decent haul. They lost 5 guys who signed a pretty big contract elsewhere.

Those holes at guard will still be there. That's a position that to me is so low in importance, I'd be ecstatic if we got that with a late pick, even if that means waiting a year. And no, I don't think it's unreasonable for a good drafting team to turn comp picks into at the very least role players.
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He doesn't get credit for Herm's drafts? He was still the GM.

Most the talent on this team was from Peterson drafts...
Kuharich definitely gets most credit for the drafts. Herm was the guy that seemed most instrumental in pushing the front office to gut the team. And that was the right decision. I think Herm should have been fired anyway because he wasn't a coach who could take us to the top. But he definitely got scapegoated and blasted for what ended up being the right decisions.
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You act as if said Seahawks fan wouldn't have been COMPLETELY ****ING JUSTIFIED feeling that way in 2012.
That owner has at least proven competent enough to do what's necessary to make a SB...
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