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Old 04-03-2012, 03:30 AM  
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PFF talks Chiefs O-line
This is also an excellent article explaining some of their grading process.

http://www.profootballfocus.com/blog...-april-2-2012/

You guys have talked a lot about Barry Richardson dragging down the quality of the Chiefs’ line. Now that they’ve added Eric Winston, how do you think their line grades out compared to the rest of the league? – Matt Conner


Ben Stockwell: The addition of Winston immediately makes the Chiefs one of the best offensive lines in the league. In terms of an offensive line ranking, Winston not only upgrades a line that we ranked 16th in the 2011 season, it plugs their biggest weakness and also takes away one of the best players from our fifth-ranked offensive line from last season. It doesn’t solve all of their problems, but any time that you can replace arguably the worst right tackle in the league with arguably the best, well you can’t really make a bigger jump than that.

You can only really imagine where the Chiefs might be if they hadn’t made the hasty decision of cutting Jared Gaither during the middle of the year. A line of Gaither at left tackle, Winston at right tackle and shifting Branden Albert inside to his collegiate position of guard would be a fearsome group for the Chiefs’ backfield duo of Jamaal Charles and Peyton Hillis to run behind. As it is, they don’t have Gaither anymore, but they’re not exactly short changed.

The biggest obstacle for the Chiefs to improve in 2012 will be getting more from there interior offensive line as run blockers. Winston really helps them on the edge–not only in upgrading their pass protection, but also helping them spring more runs off-tackle–but Jon Asamoah and Ryan Lilja really need to up their game as interior run blockers. It’s just about all this line is missing now that they have made that big leap at right tackle.
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Old 04-03-2012, 03:54 PM   #76
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He was not excellent in Washington. 54.6%?

Very Cassel-like numbers.
It was his first year starting and he threw 23 TD and 11 INT. 3400 yards.

That's not awesome but HE GOT BETTER. It certainly wasn't "pretty bad."

"Pretty bad" is what Cassel was last season, and what his last 11 shit-ass games have been.

Stop defending Matt Cassel. He is poisonous to this franchise.
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Old 04-03-2012, 03:59 PM   #77
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It was his first year starting and he threw 23 TD and 11 INT. 3400 yards.

That's not awesome but HE GOT BETTER. It certainly wasn't "pretty bad."

"Pretty bad" is what Cassel was last season, and what his last 11 shit-ass games have been.

Stop defending Matt Cassel. He is poisonous to this franchise.
LOL I'm not defending Cassel.
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Old 04-03-2012, 03:59 PM   #78
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Who gives a shit about comparing Cassel to Trent.

Trent was better but if you feel differently, whatever. Neither one of them were good enough to win a SB.

So what's the plan? To build the greatest offensive line ever again? We had that. Got beat by a franchise QB.

Moot point to be going on this far about how they stacked up.
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Old 04-03-2012, 04:07 PM   #79
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I think people underestimate just how good Green was here, but at the end of the day it doesn't really matter what people thinks about his play ten years ago. It's not relevant to today in any way. We can argue about it until we're blue in the face, but it doesn't change the fact that we're still stuck with Matt Cassel. Who has yet to show that he can execute an offense at any kind of even halfway competent level. He's never shown that he can complete a high percentage of passes, he's never shown any ability to quickly and correctly read defenses, he's never shown that he can be the cog at the center of a productive passing offense. All he has ever shown, in a positive sense, is that he can avoid turning the ball over if the passing game is completely castrated and refuses to attack downfield, and that he can throw short touchdown passes if the running game can move the ball down the field for him.

That's all we've gotten out of him. After three years.
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"Trent Green had great passing numbers because his offenses didn't run the ball all that much." Yeah, right. They only had that shitty workhorse Priest Holmes, who took over all those goal line TDs that Cassel threw in 2010. Oh, and while he took all of those, Trent Green was throwing for 24+ TDs on his own.

Blick, you said yardage doesn't matter because it's not on the scoreboard at the end? You know what DOES matter? Winning. ****ing winning. That's what matters. You know how QBs get their teams to win games? They throw the ball. Yes, it's entirely advantageous to ride your 6.2/carry RB when he's running 6.2/carry. When he's not though, you better have something up your sleeve that involves more than a ****ing checkdown.

There's a reason why yards/completion is a hallmark stat of the winning QBs in this league, and the fact that Cassel's number is so low compared to the rest of them proves why he sucks.

Go ahead and take your 27/7 stat. I'd rather have a QB who's only 16/12 on the year but at least puts up 300 yard games, finds open receivers downfield, and knows when to let his awesome running game do the scoring instead of himself.
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Old 04-03-2012, 04:13 PM   #81
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Who gives a shit about comparing Cassel to Trent.

Trent was better but if you feel differently, whatever. Neither one of them were good enough to win a SB.
I would argue that there's a substantive difference between winning a superbowl and being good enough to win one. You could make the same statement about Dan Marino. Did he never win a superbowl because he wasn't good enough? I obviously would not put him on Marino's level, but Green was, I think, good enough to win a superbowl. He was not the weak link in that chain of fail.

But as I said a bit ago, it really doesn't matter. The issue here is Matt Cassel. And he's a far cry from even being Trent Green, much less Dan Marino.
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Old 04-03-2012, 04:17 PM   #82
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There is more overrating of Green than underrating.

He was a good QB with an All-World OL and a good RB and a great TE.

Without all that, he's very average.

That said, I really liked Green. He and his supporting cast was plenty good enough to win a SB back then.
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He was a good QB with an All-World OL and a good RB and a great TE.
No, he was an above average QB.

In 2003 the Chiefs were only 15th in rushing. They were 2nd in passing.

Green was a ****ing good QB and had it not been for GROB and DV's complete idiocy in the defensive department, we'd have won SOMETHING during his time here.
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Old 04-03-2012, 04:24 PM   #84
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You guys got me all wrong in this thread.

All I've said is that Cassel might have a good year with the rest of the team carrying him. That's not out of the question because of the talent we have.

THE PLAYERS HAVE TO CARRY HIM BECAUSE HE SUCKS! I DON'T LIKE HIM. I DON'T WANT HIM. READ WHAT I AM ACTUALLY SAYING, JFC.
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You guys got me all wrong in this thread.

All I've said is that Cassel might have a good year with the rest of the team carrying him. That's not out of the question because of the talent we have.

THE PLAYERS HAVE TO CARRY HIM BECAUSE HE SUCKS! I DON'T LIKE HIM. I DON'T WANT HIM. READ WHAT I AM ACTUALLY SAYING, JFC.
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Unfortunately a 'good year' for Cassel is a sub-par year for basically any other quality starting QB. I would contend that 2010 is actually the best we're ever going to get out of him. That's his high water mark, as they say. And even that year was below average in every way aside from his TD/INT ratio. Which required an all time rushing performance and an offense focused solely on limiting his decisions and potentially-dangerous throws.
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For the CHiefs to be successful with Cassel next year, 2010 has to be his absolute floor. Thats the absolute worst he can do.


Maybe not TD to INT rate but in every other category, it is.
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You guys got me all wrong in this thread.
No, we don't.

You're saying Cassel could produce like Trent Green.

THAT'S NEVER GOING TO HAPPEN
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A part of me, the naive part, still cant believe that Pioli is thumbing his nose at the fans by so blatantly sticking us with Cassel again.

I honestly thought we might just get some kind of change, or atleast some real competition going this year... thoughts like 'he's GOTTA see that this is the year to make a change, RIGHT?'

If he would only make the right moves at that one spot, i'd be completely happy with the overall direction of the Chiefs.
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