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Old 11-21-2023, 06:48 AM  
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Woof. Alright, so what would you do?

NOW.

Not last March. No 'what I would've done is...'.

What would you do NOW?

I would stop with the rotation at WR.

I'm playing Rice and Toney every play unless they need a breather. They are the two most talented.

I'm putting Hardman in MVS' spot. He's the fastest, and MVS never played big anyway. run ****ing go routes until you drop, Mecole. If they don't pull a safety over, we'll chuck it to you.

When Hardman needs a breath, send Watson out there.


Probably run a lot of 21.

Keep feeding Pacheco.

Simplify as much as you can.
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Old 11-21-2023, 09:39 AM   #91
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Old 11-21-2023, 09:46 AM   #92
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Buy some of this for the receivers

i played WR back in the day....and am old enough to have used stickum.

WAY overrated. once your hands hit the ground and got dirt/grass on them, the stickum was useless.

today's WR gloves are 1000% better.

How do you think these (real) receivers make those insane 1 handed grabs?
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Old 11-21-2023, 09:48 AM   #93
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i played WR back in the day....and am old enough to have used stickum.

WAY overrated. once your hands hit the ground and got dirt/grass on them, the stickum was useless.

today's WR gloves are 1000% better.

How do you think these (real) receivers make those insane 1 handed grabs?
HA! I played TE and we used the shit out of that stuff. You are absolutely correct - you had to keep washing off and reapplying. I would have killed for the gloves they have today.
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Old 11-21-2023, 09:52 AM   #94
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They built a team to be the ‘18/‘19 Pats but still try to play like they’re the 2020 Chiefs…it just doesn’t work.

They should be a completely power running / run heavy team that uses play action and leans on the defense….the offensive system isn’t malleable though and the personnel isn’t there to run it, it’s jamming a square peg into a round hole.
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Old 11-21-2023, 09:57 AM   #95
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If Mahomes simply makes a better pass on that INT and Kelce doesn't make that mistake fumbling like he never does, then it's 27-21 and we win and the offense is suddenly fixed.

That's how small the margins are. This is all self inflicted
The Mahomes INT ended up a wash. The Eagles punted a few plays later, the Chiefs had a good punt return, and scored a TD.

We don't know how the game turns out if any of these plays happened. If MVS catches the ball, the Eagles get the ball back with 1:30 only needing a FG. If Watson doesn't drop the 4th and 25, we still have 40 yards remaining for a TD.

The Kelce fumble was huge. Provided they score a TD on that possession the Eagles would be down 10 again. They were at least in FG range.
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Old 11-21-2023, 09:59 AM   #96
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Sneed’s penalties are acceptable. He has been told to be physical at the LOS to disrupt #1 WRs. You are going to get calls against you when that’s your job.
Completely agree. Sneed is nasty and his job is to jam and rough up WR's and make them earn their releases. He can get an illegal hands to the face every game as far as I'm concerned as long as it's not in a 3rd and long.

He's the guy the other WR don't want to be lined up against and I love it.

It's the bonehead false starts and numerous holding penalties on our tackles that is hampering this team in the penalty department.
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Old 11-21-2023, 10:01 AM   #97
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It's not just the WR group; the OL seems to have trouble run blocking as well. Many times, against a four man front, Pacheco is being met in the backfield or simply runs into a brick wall. Teams key on stopping Kelce and the run and wait for a penalty, drop or mistake from a frustrated Mahomes. Most teams seem to be able to stick to our WRs like glue so either they are telegraphing their routes or teams know what the Chiefs are going to do.
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Old 11-21-2023, 10:03 AM   #98
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Old 11-21-2023, 10:07 AM   #99
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Also the RB screen game needs to make a prominent return… it’s been a non-factor for most of the season.

And Noah Gray is probably a more reliable pass catcher than any of the Chiefs WR’s currently… yet he had zero targets last night.
This is my biggest issue. These WRs aren't cutting it. Why aren't you using 12 personnel and targeting Gray more?
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Old 11-21-2023, 10:08 AM   #100
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If Mahomes simply makes a better pass on that INT and Kelce doesn't make that mistake fumbling like he never does, then it's 27-21 and we win and the offense is suddenly fixed.

That's how small the margins are. This is all self inflicted
No...the offense suddenly wouldn't be fixed. We'd be talking about how we won despite the WRs and their drops.
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Old 11-21-2023, 10:12 AM   #101
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Don't know what there is to do. The WRs being absolutely shit there's not much to do realistically, but the far more concerning aspect of it is we seem to be watching Kelce age out in real time. He's openly flirting with retirement now and he seems to have been afflicted as well with the ****upitis.
He clearly doesn't look the same this year, its a serious concern
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Old 11-21-2023, 10:14 AM   #102
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Stop f***ing around trying to unearth a new WR1 with garbage and actually play your better players.

OL as it is, but tell JT he needs to sort his shit out or Wanya is having a go. Lean on the OL more, run the ball more and RPO more.

Move Kelce to slot WR. Run 2 TE every play.

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Old 11-21-2023, 10:17 AM   #103
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He clearly doesn't look the same this year, its a serious concern
As much as I like the Uzi pick in the first round....it should have been WR or TE. Mayer or Musgrave right now would help immensely.
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Old 11-21-2023, 10:18 AM   #104
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He clearly doesn't look the same this year, its a serious concern
Well the NFL has allowed defenders to beat the ever loving shit out of him for 10 years now, this is the end result. Same reason Gronk retired so young. TE is an absolutely brutal position.

I have a horrible feeling this is his last year. He might just retire with Jason and focus on post football life, and I can't say I would blame him at this point. I think at best we're getting 1 more year out of him.
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Old 11-21-2023, 10:21 AM   #105
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Do coaching staff changes count? Because I'm getting Nagy and that putz WR coach the **** out. 3 straight games now we've been shut out in the second. Whatever Nagy is bringing to the room sure isn't a positive.
Nagy? This is Andy Reid dude. This has always been a problem on an Andy Reid football team dating back to 2001. He'll this was a problem when Nagy was in Chicago.

Peter King's article said Andy met with Nagy about the offense in Frankfurt. Well this week the offense looked much better and a big part of that was running the ball, especially on 3rd/4th and short.

They cut the cutesy shotgun shit out and lined up under center and gave the ball to Pacheco...and it worked!

I think the real problem here is talent. There's just no talent at WR man. Rice is good for a rookie but Justin ****ing Watson is the leading WR. That says everything.

I don't blame them for continuing to throw deep last night because the coaches were right. There were major cracks in that secondary and we saw MVS and Watson get open continuously. The last play summed it all up. Great playcall getting the WR open. And he was open. He just didn't catch it.

It's also Kelce. Him being a big threat last year made everything easier. Notice that when Kelce looked like the Kelce of last year against the Chargers we look good on offense? Well he hasn't been that guy and the WR room isn't talented enough to pick up the slack.
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