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Old 03-22-2009, 12:15 AM  
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Alternate Reality Game 1: Chiefs

The original post is below in blue, but let's summarize it here based on the past few years.

1. If you're a new player, start with the current Chiefs roster. If you've been playing for a while you'll have your own evolved roster.

2. You can add any free agent that the Chiefs add.

3. You lose any free agent that the Chiefs lose, but only if they were on the Chiefs' roster when you began playing.

4. You can accept or reject any trade the Chiefs make as long as any Chiefs player involved is currently on your roster.

5. You do not get players that the Chiefs draft. You draft your own players, using the same draft picks that the Chiefs have.

6. You can trade down ONE time before the draft or after the draft. If you trade down before the draft, you get up to full value for your pick according to this chart: http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com...t-trade-chart/. If you trade down after the draft, the value of the picks you trade must be discounted by at least 35 percent. Any trade down must involve only the picks of one NFL team, and you cannot receive more than two picks more than you give up. (In other words, if you trade away one draft pick you cannot pick up more than three in return.) The other team's picks also must be picks that they held prior to the opening of the draft.

6. You can trade up ONE time before the draft or after the draft. If you trade up before the draft, you get up to full value for your pick according to this chart: http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com...t-trade-chart/. If you trade up after the draft, the value of the picks you trade must be discounted by at least 15 percent. Any trade up must involve only the picks of one NFL team. The other team's picks also must be picks that they held prior to the opening of the draft.

7. By the beginning of the season, you must reduce your total roster to include only 53 players.



Original post: You can ignore this now.


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Added Rules and Reminders:

1. Remember that you can draft undrafted rookies, so you don't have to select only guys who were drafted.

2. Anyone can change their rookie draft selections at any time, UNTIL we reach ten days before training camp. At that point, all picks will be locked in.

3. Each team can do ONE trade of draft picks if they like, using this chart:http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com...t-trade-chart/. However, if you're trading up, you have to pay 15 percent more than the stated value of the picks you're obtaining. If you're trading down, your pick's value will be discounted by 35 percent.

For example, if you want to trade up from the 20th pick in the 1st to the 10th pick, you can see from the chart that the 20th pick is worth 850 points. The 10th pick is normally 1,300 points, but by paying 15 percent more, it will cost you 1.15*1,300, or 1,495 points.

For example, if you want to trade down from the 20th pick in the 1st and pick up the 10th pick in the 2nd, your 20th pick would normally be worth 850 points, but in this game it will be worth 553 points. The 10th pick in the 2nd is worth 480 points, so you can get 73 points back from the other team.

You can do only ONE draft-pick trade up and ONE draft-pick trade down, and in each case you can only trade with one other team for their own picks. (In other words, you couldn't take the 73 points in the above example from a third team.)

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Old 04-25-2019, 04:25 PM   #781
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Okay, here's where I see the draft order for our game.

#1-29 - if you refuse the Frank Clark trade.
#2-61 - yours
#2-63 - if Marcus Peters was not on your roster last year, you get this.
#3-84 - if you accept the Frank Clark trade
#3-92 - if you refuse the Frank Clark trade
#4-131 - if Reggie Ragland was not on your roster last year, you get this.
#5-167 - yours
#6-201 - yours
#6-214 - yours
#7-216 - yours if you had Rod Streater on your final roster at any point and not now
#7-243 - yours if you don't have the #7-216 pick above

(I'm not too worried about the details on the Streater pick since he was briefly on the team two years ago. Do what you think is right, and if you started playing less than two years ago, just take the higher pick.)


On another note, as we play longer and our rosters diverge from the Chiefs', it's harder to accept reject trades in a wheelin' dealin' NFL world. So for example, if you don't have the 2020 second rounder of the Chiefs that's in the Frank Clark trade, you can't technically make the Frank Clark trade according to our current rules. I would propose that if the Chiefs make a trade like that that involves draft picks that you don't possess, you can still make the trade if you give up an equal or greater number of draft points that the Chiefs did. So if, for example, you lack the 2020 second-round pick, you can give up your 3rd and 4th or whatever else adds up to the same draft value. Does that sound reasonable?
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Old 04-25-2019, 04:35 PM   #782
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Here are my picks. At the moment, I'm refusing the Frank Clark trade. I like the guy and he's probably worth it, but I prefer to forge my own team at that price. I might change my mind after the NFL draft as I consider my options.

#1-29 - yep. I'm refusing the Clark trade.
#2-61 - yep.

#2-63 - nope. I declined the Marcus Peters trade (and I drafted him).
#3-84 - nope. I'm refusing the Clark trade.
#3-92 - yep. I'm refusing the Clark trade.
#4-131 - nope. I accepted the Reggie Ragland trade last year.
#5-167 - yep.
#6-201 - yep.
#6-214 - yep.
#7-216 - yep. I kept Rod Streater for two glorious seasons.

#7-243 - nope. I had Rod and let's just say that I traded him.
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Old 04-25-2019, 07:06 PM   #783
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- must have had FS Eric Murray to trade for DE Emmanuel Ogbah (post-season trade)
- must have had OG Parker Ehinger to trade for CB Charvarius Ward (in-season trade)
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- must have had FS Eric Murray to trade for DE Emmanuel Ogbah (post-season trade)
- must have had OG Parker Ehinger to trade for CB Charvarius Ward (in-season trade)
Good point.
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And while there'll be camp fodder added, these are the current free agent signings that can be added to your training camp roster.

Joey Ivie, NT
Henry Mondeaux, DT
Cavon Walker, DT
David Wells, TE
Pace Murphy, T
Justin Senior, T
Deon Yelder, TE
Harold Jones-Quartey, DB
Keith Reaser, DB
Austin Reiter, OL
Aaron Ripkowski, RB
Blake Bell, TE
Sammie Coates, WR
Martrell Spaight, ILB
Damien Wilson, LB
Jeremiah Attaochu, LB
Bashaud Breeland, CB
Carlos Hyde, RB
Dontae Johnson, DB
E.J. Manuel, QB
Tyrann Mathieu, S
Alex Okafor, DE
Davon Grayson, WR
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Old 04-26-2019, 08:46 PM   #786
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Updated for the draft day trade:

#1-29 - if you refuse the Frank Clark trade.
#2-56 - if you accept the draft day trade up
#2-61 - if you do NOT accept the draft day trade up
#2-63 - if Marcus Peters was not on your roster last year, you get this.
#3-84 - if you accept the Frank Clark trade
#3-92 - if you refuse the Frank Clark trade
#4-131 - if Reggie Ragland was not on your roster last year, you get this.
#5-167 - if you do NOT accept the draft day trade up
#6-201 - yours
#6-214 - yours
#7-216 - yours if you had Rod Streater on your final roster at any point and not now
#7-243 - yours if you don't have the #7-216 pick above
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2019 Superior Yetis Alternate Reality Offseason

Free Agent Losses

RB Spencer Ware, WR Chris Conley, TE Demetrius Harris, OG Ike Boettger, OC Mitch Morse, DE Allen Bailey, CB Steven Nelson, DB Ron Parker

Trade Notes
  • I agreed to trade Marcus Peters in 2018 for a 2019 2nd round selection
  • I agreed to trade a 2019 4th round pick in 2017 for Reggie Ragland.
  • I did not have Rod Streeter, so I retain pick 243.
  • I am accepting the Chiefs' trade of Dee Ford to the San Francisco 49ers for a 2020 2nd round selection.
  • I am not accepting the trade for Frank Clark
  • I am not accepting the draft-day trade up.

2019 Draft

Round 1, Selection 29 | Byron Murphy, CB, Washington (#2-33 ARZ)

My roster desperately needs an infusion of talent at the CB position so it really comes down to getting a top-tier player here for me. I really wanted to move up for Sweat at DE, but I just couldn't do it with my other needs. Murphy should at least lock down my #2 CB spot for the forseeable future.

Round 2, Selection 48 (f/MIA) | Erik McCoy, OC, Texas A&M (#2-48 NO)

I am trading up to get a starting center here, sending #2-61 and #2-63 to the Miami Dolphins for #2-48 and #4-116 (This is the same output they gave New Orleans on draft day). Losing Morse this offseason really hurts and Bozeman hasn't earned a starting gig in Baltimore for me so I have to go up and get a guy I think is going to be a stud at the position for years to come in McCoy. It pains me deeply to not take Thornhill, but I took Jessie Bates last year at the same position.
Pick Valuation: KC: 292 + 276 = 568 * 85% = 482.8 MIA: 420 + 62 = 482

Roune 3, Selection 92 | Oshane Ximines, ER, Old Dominion (#3-95 NYG)

I decided that I'm going to accept the Chiefs' trade of Dee Ford and that leaves a hole in my depth at edge rusher. At this point I'm intent on maintaining the 3-4 defense I have in place so Ximines fits really well as an OLB. He brings a solid repetoire of rush moves to the table and maintains gap discipline as a run defender. He should have every opportunity to become a significant contributor early.

Round 4, Selection 116 (f/MIA) | Amani Hooker, DB, Iowa (#4-116 TEN)

I'm looking at the long-term here by selecting Hooker, much like the Titans selecting him as a likely future heir to Kenny Vaccarro. Mathieu is in on a 3-year deal and we'll see if he plays that out. Hooker is a prototypical box safety but he does have some abilities in coverage. He's at least great special teams depth. I could have reached out and tried to take another CB here or some defensive line help but decided I liked this value more.

Round 5, Selection 167 | Cole Holcomb, LB, North Carolina (#5-173 WAS)

I'm throwing darts out there every year trying to help my dismal linebacking corps and this selection is really no different. I like Holcomb's overall skill set and he'll be given an opportunity to become a starter in Washington given the Reuben Foster situation and little else at the position after Mason Foster who is already 30.

Round 6, Selection 201 | Derwin Gray, OT, Maryland (#7-219 PIT)

I really like Gray and think he has a shot to stick on Pittsburgh's roster. He's the only offensive lineman they selected this year and they could really use depth and a future replacement at LG for 33-year old Ramon Foster, which is what I see Gray becoming. He's a big, strong dude just like Foster and should be able to sit and develop for a couple of seasons. I don't have an immediate need at guard either, so if he sits and stews and turns out then that's great.

Round 6, Selection 214 (Comp) | Alize Mack, TE, Notre Dame (#7-231 NO)

The back end of this draft is like throwing shit at the wall and hoping something sticks, but Mack has a solid opportunity in New Orleans where they signed an aging Jared Cook (32) and have nobody else behind him that can't be unseated.

Round 7, Selection 243 | Olabisi Johnson, WR, Colorado State (#7-247 MIN)
I like Johnson as a player and I think he's going to end up sticking somewhere as a slot/#3 type that can make a living underneath due to his solid frame and change of direction ability. There certainly are opportunities in Minnesota after their top 2 receivers.

Draft Notes

I'm disappointed I wasn't able to really address defensive line like I needed to. I very nearly accepted the trade up for Khalen Saunders because I do really like him, and I may end up kicking myself on that one. I just question his opportunity to be an every-down player in KC and that's kind of what I'm after at this point. Realistically, I'm probably a starter short there but I can't do much about it. There just wasn't realistic value there throughout the draft over and above what I took for players and I'm not about to drastically reach for a lesser football player. This is also one of the reasons I made the decision to part ways with Dee Ford for a 2nd round pick like KC actually did. I believe I'll need to spend early picks next year to get a couple of defensive lineman.

I also don't particularly care for my linebacker situation. I've thrown a lot of mid-round picks at the position and nothing seems to stick. I took another poke this year with Holcomb, so we'll see. I'm guessing I'll really need to hit one early next season.

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Old 04-29-2019, 11:29 PM   #788
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Okay, let's start out with picks.

I didn't accept the Marcus Peters trade.
It turns out that I kept Rod Streater, so I don't get the 7th round swap up.
I reject the Frank Clark trade.
I reject the draft day trade up.
I traded for Reggie Ragland.

I'm making my own draft day trade down.

The #1-29 pick is worth 640 points, and with the 35 percent trade-down discount, that means I can trade it for 416 points. I found a trade partner in the Dallas Cowboys, who are giving me in return...

#2-58 pick for 320 points
#4-128 pick for 44 points
#4-136 pick for 37.5 points

This totals 401.5 points, so Dallas is happy, and I get three picks.

Combining all of these things, that means I end up with the following picks:

Round Pick
2 58
2 61
3 92
4 128
4 136
5 167
6 201
6 214
7 243
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And here come my picks:

#2-58 - WR Andy Isabella (Cardinals) - I desperately need receivers. I was torn between Isabella and Metcalf, but I like Isabella's speed. I also considered not trading down and taking one of the top cornerbacks of Byron Murphy, Greedy Williams, or Deandre Baker. But I don't need cornerbacks. I would have been interested in Mecole Hardman, but didn't want to trade up to get him.

#2-61 - OLB Jaylon Ferguson (Ravens). I've been enamored with Ferguson, and my team is abysmal at rushing the passer. I also strongly considered Zach Allen, who would probably be a safer pick, but I like Ferguson as a rusher. I idly considered OLB Germaine Pratt and DE Chase Winovich, but liked Ferguson's upside more. I also considered taking Metcalf here and loading up at WR, but couldn't afford that luxury given my pass rush woes.

#3-92 - DE Anthony Nelson (Buccaneers). This was a hard pick. I considered G Dru Samia hard, with the goal of taking Joe Jackson later to fill my DE spot, but this way I can get Michael Jordan in that other spot. I hope that the Nelson/Jordan combo ends up better than the Samia/Jackson combo. I also considered T Bobby Evans, but need tackle less than other positions.

#4-128 - QB Easton Stick (Chargers). I need a backup quarterback, and Stick seems a good value in that regard. He's a stopgap who would only see action if Russell Wilson on my team goes down, but I think he's got development potential. I strongly considered Jarrett Stidham and Gardner Minshew, both of whom are probably safer picks, but I like Stick. I strongly considered Joe Jackson at DE in this spot, who I like a lot, and pondered Mack Wilson. I'd like Wilson, but need to fill other holes.

#4-136 - G Michael Jordan (Bengals). I've had trouble staffing my guard spots, and figure he's got a decent shot of grabbing a starting job. As noted above, my key question was whether to take Jordan here or take Samia earlier. I thought Jordan seemed like a better risk/reward prospect.

#5-167 - OLB Sutton Smith (Steelers). I've been intrigued by Smith and was heavily targeting him. I didn't really consider anyone else in this slot, though I liked LB David Long as well.

#6-201 - WR Kelvin Harmon (Redskins). I need WR depth, and he seemed like a great value here. I didn't really consider anyone else in this slot.

#6-214 - TE Isaac Nauta (Lions). I need TE depth, and he seemed like a good value. I was very torn between him and CB Kris Boyd, but eventually figured I had a better roster spot available for Nauta. I also briefly considered DE Jalen Jelks.

#7-243 - TE Caleb Wilson (Cardinals). I strongly considered DE Michael Dogbe and perhaps DE Jordan Brailford, but figured I'd stock up on my TE position.
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Here's my current training camp roster.

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2019 Draft

Round 1, Selection 29 | Byron Murphy, CB, Washington (#2-33 ARZ)

My roster desperately needs an infusion of talent at the CB position so it really comes down to getting a top-tier player here for me. I really wanted to move up for Sweat at DE, but I just couldn't do it with my other needs. Murphy should at least lock down my #2 CB spot for the forseeable future.

I don't need a cornerback at all, and had other holes in my roster, but I was sorely tempted to not trade down and take Murphy. I hate passing on a top prospect at his position.
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I don't need a cornerback at all, and had other holes in my roster, but I was sorely tempted to not trade down and take Murphy. I hate passing on a top prospect at his position.
Yeah, unfortunately, I'm kinda stuck with KC's decision making at the position for the most part so I've made it a point to address it the past 2 drafts. I had 3 guys on my mind and 2 required a trade up (Sweat and Tillery). That said, I see Murphy as a carbon copy of Asante Samuel and if he is then he's going to be a top-flight CB for years to come. If Tarvarius Moore turns out in San Francisco, and he did flash later in the year, then I got something going. Holton Hill is going to be a player in Minnesota for sure. He saw the field alot last year. So, that said I think I'm alot happier there now than I was.

I have a couple of solid receivers in Boyd and Higgins, but getting a sure thing aside from Watkins would have been nice, so going up for A.J. Brown was on the table. I felt going up and getting a top center was more important in the 2nd round. Had Connor McGovern slid a bit further in the 3rd to take at 92, I would have taken Brown instead. All said, I think I'm going to be very happy with McCoy.

My D-line is hope and prayer. I know Phillips will start in Buffalo. Sieler is penciled in to start in Baltimore but no guarantees. I have to hope that Williams and Watkins at least contribute heavily. Not addressing it could be stupid on my part.

Ximines is my one big worry at this point. I like his production and his play style. He doesn't have the juice I'd like but he has really good functional strength and a good get-off. I took the same chance on Matt Judon though, taking game strength and on-field over running in shorts, and he's turned out to be a solid get and actually enabled me to consider trading Dee Ford.


You surprised me with the trade down for Isabella. I think he's going to be a really good player. You get some good depth in the 4th with the move too so that definitely made for a good draft for you.
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Old 05-01-2019, 10:47 PM   #793
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Ximines is my one big worry at this point. I like his production and his play style. He doesn't have the juice I'd like but he has really good functional strength and a good get-off. I took the same chance on Matt Judon though, taking game strength and on-field over running in shorts, and he's turned out to be a solid get and actually enabled me to consider trading Dee Ford.
I took a long look at him, pondering taking him if I took Zach Allen in the second instead of Jaylon Ferguson. I tend to like higher risk/higher reward players for some reason, though, and I liked Ferguson, which meant that I didn't really have a spot for Ximines. I needed both a DE and and OLB.

I was also really interested in Sutton Smith, so he was my luxury pick, and I've had a devil of a time getting OLBs, so I'm trying to give myself more chances to win one.

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You surprised me with the trade down for Isabella. I think he's going to be a really good player. You get some good depth in the 4th with the move too so that definitely made for a good draft for you.
Time will tell if I should've taken Metcalf or Isabella. Metcalf was probably the safer pick, and I suspect he'll thrive with Russell Wilson throwing to him, just like Hardman will thrive with Mahomes throwing to him. Isabella's a bigger risk in that regard, but I have a weakness for shifty speed.
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Trying to catch up on all of this so spent a couple of hours this morning going through it all. Think I figured out draft situation correctly. I didn't peruse anybody else's draft here before landing but do see now that I'm not the only one who picked Ximines.

2019 Draft Picks:

1-29 DE L.J. Collier (Seahawks)
2-61 S Taylor Rapp (Rams)
3-92 DE Oshane Ximines (Giants)
5-167 OT David Edwards (Rams)
6-201 OT Isaiah Prince (Dolphins)
6-214 CB Kris Boyd (Vikings)
7-243 WR Olabisi Johnson (Saints)

Updated Roster

QB
Patrick Mahomes
Paxton Lynch (Seahawks)
Chad Henne

RB
Kenneth Dixon (Ravens)
Anthony Sherman
Damien Williams
Carlos Hyde
Aaron Ripkowski

WR
Sammy Watkins
Tavon Austin (Cowboys)
Rishard Matthews (Saints)
Mike Thomas (Rams)
Michael Gallup (Cowboys)
Cedrick Wilson (Cowboys)
Gehrig Dieter
Marcus Kemp
Byron Pringle
Sammie Coates
Davon Grayson
Olabisi Johnson (Saints)

TE
Travis Kelce
Maxx Williams (Cardinals)
David Wells
Deon Yelder
Blake Bell

OT
T.J. Clemmings (Bears)
La’el Collins (Cowboys)
Jamarco Jones (Seahawks)
Pace Murphy
Justin Senior
OT David Edwards (Rams)
6-201 OT Isaiah Prince (Dolphins)

G
Andrew Wylie
David DeCastro (Steelers)
Laurent Duvernay-Tardiff
Max Garcia (Cardinals)

C
Austin Reiter
Will Clapp (Saints)

K
Harrison Butker

P
Dustin Colquitt

S
George Iloka (Cowboys)
Tyrann Mathieu
Dontae Johnson
Keith Reaser
Taylor Rapp (Rams)

CB
Kendall Fuller
P.J. Williams (Saints)
Jordan Poyer (Bills)
Kalen Reed (Seahawks)
Donte Jackson (Panthers)
Bashaud Breeland
Harold Jones-Quartey
Kris Boyd (Vikings)

OLB
Shane Ray (Ravens)
Ogbonnia Okoronkwo (Rams)
Justin Lawler (Rams)
Damien Wilson
Jeremiah Attaochu

ILB
Anthony Hitchens
Reggie Ragland
Vontaze Burflict (Raiders)
Martrell Spaight

DE
Tanoh Kpassagnon
Alex Okafor
Joe Ostman (Eagles)
L.J. Collier (Seahawks)
Oshane Ximines (Giants)

DT
Xavier Williams
Henry Mondeaux
Cavon Walker
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Old 06-25-2019, 11:50 AM   #795
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We can trade a 2020 6th for LB Darron Lee if we so choose, just food for thought for everyone.

I'm in on that one.
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