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Mile High Mania · 12-17-2014, 10:54 AM

Interesting debates on these every year, here's one from ESPN.

http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/12...demarco-murray

Peyton, Rodgers, Brady, Murray, Watt, Luck...

Where would you guys lean? I don't know, part of me tends to lean towards Murray quite honestly. I think Peyton's crazy 2013 year hurts the image of what he's done in 2014, especially when compared against the other QBs that are getting all the MVP talk. Peyton's right there with them.

Aside from all that, I think it's a pretty even race among the QBs in the discussion... I wouldn't give it Watt, I think my vote with be DeMarco.

Hootie · 12-18-2014, 01:56 PM

No I'm not. I'm no Manning basher, as evidenced by 8 years on this board.

He has played the worst 6 game stretch of his career. He's missed passes I've never seen him miss and he has absolutely no deep ball whatsoever.

I have watched every game.

I am not uninformed here.

Mile High Mania · 12-18-2014, 02:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Hootie 2.0

No I'm not. I'm no Manning basher, as evidenced by 8 years on this board.

He has played the worst 6 game stretch of his career. He's missed passes I've never seen him miss and he has absolutely no deep ball whatsoever.

I have watched every game.

I am not uninformed here.

I think you're insane, but that's ok.

Just Passin' By · 12-18-2014, 02:31 PM

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Originally Posted by MagicHef

Based on those numbers, I'd say Luck should be MVP. He won't be though, because those numbers are basically meaningless.

FYP

dls6501 · 12-18-2014, 03:30 PM

1) Rodgers

2) Peyton
3) Luck

4) Watt
5) Murray

(Yes, the gaps are intentional)

MagicHef · 12-18-2014, 04:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Just Passin' By

FYP

Those numbers are certainly not meaningless. They show how much each team relies on their QB. They are definitely more meaningful than TD:INT ratio.

**notorious** · 12-18-2014, 04:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Wallcrawler

If the backs behind Murray were having similar success behind that line, I might buy this bullshit.

Wow.

Murray suddenly has a good year, and now he's more important than any of the QBs?

He has been average until Dallas finally upgraded their line, but he has "single handedly" brought the Cowboys back.

Please don't operate any heavy machinery.

**notorious** · 12-18-2014, 04:49 PM

Indy would be a ****ing abyss if they didn't have Luck.

Green Bay wouldn't be far behind.

If Dallas lost Murray, the point spread might shift 1/2 point combined over the next 2 games.

Just Passin' By · 12-18-2014, 04:50 PM

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Originally Posted by MagicHef

Those numbers are certainly not meaningless. They show how much each team relies on their QB. They are definitely more meaningful than TD:INT ratio.

They are meaningless, because they ignore too many factors.

MagicHef · 12-18-2014, 04:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Just Passin' By

They are meaningless, because they ignore too many factors.

In that case, every stat is meaningless. Hooray!

Just Passin' By · 12-18-2014, 05:02 PM

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Originally Posted by MagicHef

In that case, every stat is meaningless. Hooray!

Quit trolling. Manning trying to throw for TD records instead of handing off is just one example of why the numbers are meaningless.

MagicHef · 12-18-2014, 05:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Just Passin' By

Quit trolling. Manning trying to throw for TD records instead of handing off is just one example of why the numbers are meaningless.

So you don't want to consider TDs when deciding on the MVP. Sounds good, what else is off the table?

Amnorix · 12-18-2014, 06:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Hootie 2.0

...10 years ago?

Back when they, according to you, had an all-time elite defense?

Or are you talking about the time they beat the Ravens to get to the Super Bowl a few years ago when Brady was absolutely abysmal in the AFCCG and the Ravens, with Joe ****ing Flacco, were two Lee Evans' dropped TD's from beating the Patriots because Tom Brady was so wretched that game?

Or are you talking about 2007 when Brady had Randy Moss, who turned in the greatest season a receiver has ever turned in, an ABSOLUTE ELITE OFFENSIVE LINE, Wes Welker and Donte "I used to be good" Stallworth?

Seriously.

What year are you talking about?

I really want to know.

Their last Super Bowl ... please ... since you Patriots fans are SO QUICK to point out the Peyton Manning Super Bowl year his 3:7 TD ratio despite the fact he only had 1 bad game (WC against KC where that game was won before it started) ... PLEASE try and defend Brady's PISS POOR, WRETCHED effort against the Ravens at New England?

I NEED TO KNOW WHY TOM BRADY GETS PASSES FOR HIS 10+ YEAR OF POSTSEASON INEPTITUDE?

He hasn't had a single good postseason in YEARS. He's played FAR BELOW his regular season numbers for like 9 postseasons in a row.

He's constantly been owned by Joe Flacco, Mark Sanchez and yes, Peyton Manning.

Why does Tom Brady get a pass anymore?

I have to know this?

If Peyton Manning is a choker, which he may be ... Tom Brady equals him as a choker as well.

Brady has lost as many SBs as Manning has even been to, despite Manning playing for three MORE years. And when Brady loses SBs, he isn't throwing pick-sixes, or getting crushed 43-8.

Hootie · 12-18-2014, 06:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Amnorix

Brady has lost as many SBs as Manning has even been to, despite Manning playing for three MORE years. And when Brady loses SBs, he isn't throwing pick-sixes, or getting crushed 43-8.

18 - 1 is the biggest choke in history, hate to break it to ya

Amnorix · 12-18-2014, 06:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Hootie 2.0

18 - 1 is the biggest choke in history, hate to break it to ya

Even if it is, which I don't view it as being, it would still be on the offensive line, not Brady.

Only in Hootie's world does Brady get penalized for winning MORE...

Hootie · 12-18-2014, 06:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Amnorix

Even if it is, which I don't view it as being, it would still be on the offensive line, not Brady.

Only in Hootie's world does Brady get penalized for winning MORE...

Only in a Patriots fan head can their QB get excuses for postseason losses but no other QB can ...

It's the Colts special teams fault that Manning lost to the Saints in the Super Bowl.

View Poll Results: 2014 MVP
DeMarco Murray	16	13.22%
Aaron Rodgers	50	41.32%
Tom Brady	10	8.26%
Andrew Luck	2	1.65%
Peyton Manning	2	1.65%
J.J. Watt	36	29.75%
other	5	4.13%
Voters: 121. You may not vote on this poll

12-17-2014, 10:54 AM
Mile High Mania #triggering Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Tejas Casino cash: $3687229	NFL MVP Interesting debates on these every year, here's one from ESPN. http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/12...demarco-murray Peyton, Rodgers, Brady, Murray, Watt, Luck... Where would you guys lean? I don't know, part of me tends to lean towards Murray quite honestly. I think Peyton's crazy 2013 year hurts the image of what he's done in 2014, especially when compared against the other QBs that are getting all the MVP talk. Peyton's right there with them. Aside from all that, I think it's a pretty even race among the QBs in the discussion... I wouldn't give it Watt, I think my vote with be DeMarco.
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12-18-2014, 01:56 PM	#136
Hootie Banned Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Dallas, Texas Casino cash: $10004900	No I'm not. I'm no Manning basher, as evidenced by 8 years on this board. He has played the worst 6 game stretch of his career. He's missed passes I've never seen him miss and he has absolutely no deep ball whatsoever. I have watched every game. I am not uninformed here.
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12-18-2014, 03:30 PM	#139
dls6501 Veteran Join Date: Jan 2014 Casino cash: $9960375	1) Rodgers 2) Peyton 3) Luck 4) Watt 5) Murray (Yes, the gaps are intentional)
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12-18-2014, 04:49 PM	#142
notorious Supporter Join Date: May 2005 Location: Who knows? Casino cash: $2935884	Indy would be a ****ing abyss if they didn't have Luck. Green Bay wouldn't be far behind. If Dallas lost Murray, the point spread might shift 1/2 point combined over the next 2 games.
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