Copying music to your computer may be illegal - Page 12

Mosbonian · 01-02-2008, 08:24 PM

Who owns your music?

CNN's Sunny Hostin looks at the music industry's claims that downloading music to a computer could be breaking the law.

http://www.cnn.com/video/#/video/sho...sic.chetry.cnn

Seems the Recording industry now wants to make sure that you don't even download a CD to your own computer regardless if you aren't planning to share it?

Not sure what to make of this......seems a little extreme if you ask me.

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**DaneMcCloud** · 01-03-2008, 05:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Adept Havelock

So, Jennifer Parsier of Sony-BMG didn't make that claim?

I'm willing to bet the court documents confirm she did.

Even if she DID make that claim, there's not a judge in America that would uphold that in a court of law.

It sounds to me like she really overstepped the law.

memyselfI · 01-03-2008, 05:55 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

First off, the RIAA is basically the watchdog of the major labels. They don't make decisions of whether or not to allow downloads, etc.

Secondly, offering low res or cheap downloads in 1997 would have done nothing to curb file sharing. NOTHING.

Music has no value to these people. Offer something for free, people will take it for free. The latest Radiohead record is the PERFECT example. More than 60% of the downloaders took it for free. FREE.

And if people REALLY were interested in paying for downloads, why did Shawn Fanning's company, SnoCap, law off 70% of its workforce? Maybe because unlike Napster, it wasn't free??

Yep, those fans REALLY care about the artist.

I totally disagree about offering downloads in 1997. Back then America was not all that computer savvy. Most people got online via America Online and internet speeds were not as fast as they are today. Hard Drives were huge at a whopping 20 GB.

If people had been introduced to downloading music when the internet was really in it's infancy then we'd know no differently and a generation, perhaps two, would have been downloading music directly from the labels and thinking nothing of a deal of paying .25 cents a song for less than CD quality sounding music. Afterall, back then a download for a single song might have taken an hour via dialup.

It was really all about creating a mindset. The pirates succeeded in creating it because a vaccum was there.

Adept Havelock · 01-03-2008, 05:56 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

Even if she DID make that claim, there's not a judge in America that would uphold that in a court of law.

It sounds to me like she really overstepped the law.

And as she is the lead counsel for Sony-BMG, are you going to claim she doesn't know her own company position on the subject? Most of the attorneys I've known are very careful about such statements, and none of them is close to operating on her level. I doubt she just said it for the sake of hearing her gums flap.

These idiots are out of touch, behind the curve, and I'm laughing my ass off at their pain.

Does it suck for the artists? Sure, but they chose to get in bed with that devil. No sympathy here.

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

They only try to enforce the laws set forth by the U.S. government.

Sure, pull the other one. It's got bells on. They are also a lobbying group, and your attempt to pretend otherwise is disingenuous at best. Lobbyists attempt to make policy. Don't insult my intelligence by claiming they only execute it.

memyselfI · 01-03-2008, 05:57 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

You really don't get this, do you? I mean, not at all, right?

The RIAA isn't above Sony, Universal, Warners or Capitol. They work FOR the labels. The record labels decide what is allowed legally on websites such as iTunes. Otherwise, The Beatles catalog would have been online since day ONE. But, it wasn't.

The RIAA is essentially a watchdog group. They don't make record company policy. They only try to enforce the laws set forth by the U.S. government.

The RIAA is the face of the recording industry BY CHOICE. Hence, most people know that when you talk about the RIAA you are talking about the record companies without naming them directly or using a million different acronyms.

If it will make YOU feel better I can refer to the labels as RI. But since they are in bed together using the RIAA conveys the disdain that particular agency has come to symbolize without having to s-p-e-l-l it out. At least for those of us outside of the industry and who are tired of their crap.

**DaneMcCloud** · 01-03-2008, 06:34 PM

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Originally Posted by memyselfI

I totally disagree about offering downloads in 1997. Back then America was not all that computer savvy. Most people got online via America Online and internet speeds were not as fast as they are today. Hard Drives were huge at a whopping 20 GB.

If people had been introduced to downloading music when the internet was really in it's infancy then we'd know no differently and a generation, perhaps two, would have been downloading music directly from the labels and thinking nothing of a deal of paying .25 cents a song for less than CD quality sounding music. Afterall, back then a download for a single song might have taken an hour via dialup.

It was really all about creating a mindset. The pirates succeeded in creating it because a vaccum was there.

I totally disagree. There were tens of millions of college students across the world with T1 access on campus that were file sharing. It had nothing to do with the "music business" or pricing - it was FREE.

FREE. Just like all the freakin' idiots at Costco and Sam's that line up for free samples.

Are the free samples really that good at those places? Or do people just like FREE goods?

**DaneMcCloud** · 01-03-2008, 06:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Adept Havelock

And as she is the lead counsel for Sony-BMG, are you going to claim she doesn't know her own company position on the subject? Most of the attorneys I've known are very careful about such statements, and none of them is close to operating on her level. I doubt she just said it for the sake of hearing her gums flap.

These idiots are out of touch, behind the curve, and I'm laughing my ass off at their pain.

Does it suck for the artists? Sure, but they chose to get in bed with that devil. No sympathy here.

Sure, pull the other one. It's got bells on. They are also a lobbying group, and your attempt to pretend otherwise is disingenuous at best. Lobbyists attempt to make policy. Don't insult my intelligence by claiming they only execute it.

Lawyers make outrageous claims in courts every single day. That doesn't make it true, nor does it make it legal. If this particular person was trying to set a legal precedent, I think she failed.

So do employees of other companies "get in bed with the Devil"? Is everyone at Microsoft "Evil"? How about GM?

You lost me.

listopencil · 01-03-2008, 06:48 PM

Mosbonian · 01-03-2008, 06:49 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

"Ingorant"? WTF is that? YOU????

I worked in the music industry for 10 YEARS. I know FAR more about the economics and accounting than all of Chiefsplanet COMBINED.

If there's anyone to IGNORE, it's YOU.

So I am assuming my 30 years of Accounting, Credit and Economics is just a waste to your vast knowledge of the real world?

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Mosbonian · 01-03-2008, 07:05 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

The RIAA is NOT claiming that at this time. I wish the thread starter would make the correction.

It was incorrectly reported by several news agencies. BUT, if they ever try to make that claim, they're completely insane. That would NEVER hold up in a court of law.

I am in complete agreement.

Change what? You CANNOT make a valid assertion that the RIAA isn't aiming for that anymore than I can claim they are.

Why not wait until the RIAA plays their hand? But thus far their MO is to try and handcuff as tightly as possible so as to maximize $$'s in their coffers. (BTW I have friends in Finance that work in the recording industries )

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Mosbonian · 01-03-2008, 07:08 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

Dude,

Read the entire thread and read post #44. The trial is about illegal downloading, not whether it's legal or not to store your legally purchased CD's on your own computer.

I don't think there's a judge in the US that would outlaw copying a legally purchased CD to a computer.

But from the same view, you cannot be sure. No one knows for sure, because the RIAA doesn't want to tip it's hand. But I can say with surety that if the RIAA thought it could successfully argue that it is illegal to do what is inferred at this time, they would do it.

mmaddog
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**DaneMcCloud** · 01-03-2008, 07:23 PM

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Originally Posted by mmaddog

So I am assuming my 30 years of Accounting, Credit and Economics is just a waste to your vast knowledge of the real world?

mmaddog
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Excuse me, I meant the music business.

**DaneMcCloud** · 01-03-2008, 07:26 PM

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Originally Posted by mmaddog

But from the same view, you cannot be sure. No one knows for sure, because the RIAA doesn't want to tip it's hand. But I can say with surety that if the RIAA thought it could successfully argue that it is illegal to do what is inferred at this time, they would do it.

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Who can be sure? If this was really argued in a court of law, I'm pretty confident a judge would over-rule those claims.

How would a law of this type even be enforced? I don't think it's possible.

Sully · 01-03-2008, 07:36 PM

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Halfcan · 01-03-2008, 08:43 PM

The music industry can suck my left nut.

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