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[Basileus777]

Originally Posted by Valiant

If Sony had not had bluray player this round imagine how much worse their sales would have been..

It doesn't work that way. If the PS3 didn't have blu-ray, the console would have been significantly cheaper and as a result would have better sales. If Sony had launched at $400 and been able to keep price parity with the 360 throughout the generation, Microsoft would have been in trouble.

[Valiant]

Originally Posted by Basileus777

It doesn't work that way. If the PS3 didn't have blu-ray, the console would have been significantly cheaper and as a result would have better sales. If Sony had launched at $400 and been able to keep price parity with the 360 throughout the generation, Microsoft would have been in trouble.

Cost of the console was not the problem.. The games sales are what kills Sony.. Sony has been outselling 360 by a small margin for about a year now from what I read online, but their software sales and accessory sales suck compared to 360?? How do you sell more units but less games if people are not buying it for a bluray player only??

PS3 would have still lost the battle because companies were jumping the ship on exclusivity because PS3 was such a bitch to program games for.. With or without bluray, Sony would have lost to the sheer inferior number of quality games compared to the 360.. Games sales show this, even though PS3 has been outselling them..

[Basileus777]

Originally Posted by Valiant

Cost of the console was not the problem.. The games sales are what kills Sony.. Sony has been outselling 360 by a small margin for about a year now from what I read online.

Not it hasn't. The 360 has increased its hardware lead over the past year and is still outselling the PS3. The PS3 actually sells software in proportion to install base.

[QuikSsurfer]

Originally Posted by Guru

All of which are outstanding titles (except Home of course). The only problem with the PS3 was the pricetag. That has become much less of an issue now. For the price, it is a better buy than 360 now.

Still it is all in what you need. If you only need games and also want to play Gears and Halo then go ahead and get a 360.

By the way, InFamous is outstanding and holding its own.

WTF?

It was a joke. Me and Tiny have been going back-n-forth for months now...

And 3 years later, yes it is finally a better buy than the 360 (even though the Elite just dropped); thank you blueray player. Like I said in another thread, i'll be picking one up now that the price is right. Sony still has a ways to go to catch up to the 360 though.
It still has a ways to go to catch up with the 360 though
and Lair is hardly an outstanding title...

[Buck]

Are you guys positive on the 360 price cut for the Elite?

[Saulbadguy]

Originally Posted by BuckinKaeding

Are you guys positive on the 360 price cut for the Elite?

Yes.

[Saulbadguy]

Originally Posted by QuikSsurfer

WTF?

It was a joke. Me and Tiny have been going back-n-forth for months now...

And 3 years later, yes it is finally a better buy than the 360 (even though the Elite just dropped); thank you blueray player. Like I said in another thread, i'll be picking one up now that the price is right. Sony still has a ways to go to catch up to the 360 though.
It still has a ways to go to catch up with the 360 though
and Lair is hardly an outstanding title...

Yeah, Lair sucked.


The console wars are pretty cyclical in nature, and each console has its advantages over the other. I like the PS3 better from the get go because of the blu-ray player, even at $400 it offered a ton of value, and plenty of games to keep me occupied...but the 360 does get some gaming time in my house, I loved Crackdown, and am looking forward to playing Lost Odyssey, Blue Dragon, and Fable 2. Oh yeah, and Crackdown 2, of course.

The other "exclusives" people recommend, i'd rather play on PC.

[TinyEvel]

Originally Posted by Valiant

Cost of the console was not the problem.. The games sales are what kills Sony.. Sony has been outselling 360 by a small margin for about a year now from what I read online, but their software sales and accessory sales suck compared to 360?? How do you sell more units but less games if people are not buying it for a bluray player only??

PS3 would have still lost the battle because companies were jumping the ship on exclusivity because PS3 was such a bitch to program games for.. With or without bluray, Sony would have lost to the sheer inferior number of quality games compared to the 360.. Games sales show this, even though PS3 has been outselling them..

PS3 outsold 360 for the first half of the year. the 199 price drop of the Arcade boosted 360 sales in Q4
Sony Software sales are up 100 percent over last year, with LBP KZ2 MLB and Infamous exceeding goals. On the Monthly NPD charts 360 sells more copies of third party games based on the bigger install base.

But to sit there and still say 360 is making more quality games is living in 2007. AT E3 the biggest news at the 360 keynote was ALL third party titles Microsoft paid HUGE $$$ to to have them demo their games in the 360 keynote. PS's keynote was all first party titles except for Assassins' Creed 2 and maybe FFIV.
Whether or not you are personally interested in MAG ModNation Racers, God of War III, Uncharted 2, GT5, Heavy Rain, etc. SONY has the most first party titles for a diverse group. I'd say SONY is much more on the front of development of new franchises. Plus there are PS3 exclusive levels in Arkham Asylum where you play as the Joker, so third parties are getting on board with the cell processor as well. 360 is building on their existing with sequels and smaller games.

[007]

Originally Posted by QuikSsurfer

WTF?

It was a joke. Me and Tiny have been going back-n-forth for months now...

And 3 years later, yes it is finally a better buy than the 360 (even though the Elite just dropped); thank you blueray player. Like I said in another thread, i'll be picking one up now that the price is right. Sony still has a ways to go to catch up to the 360 though.
It still has a ways to go to catch up with the 360 though
and Lair is hardly an outstanding title...

Calm down QS. I wasn't trying to knock you back. Was just referring to why the PS3 wasn't selling as well. Didn't mean for you to take it that way at all.

[007]

Originally Posted by Saulbadguy

Yeah, Lair sucked.


The console wars are pretty cyclical in nature, and each console has its advantages over the other. I like the PS3 better from the get go because of the blu-ray player, even at $400 it offered a ton of value, and plenty of games to keep me occupied...but the 360 does get some gaming time in my house, I loved Crackdown, and am looking forward to playing Lost Odyssey, Blue Dragon, and Fable 2. Oh yeah, and Crackdown 2, of course.

The other "exclusives" people recommend, i'd rather play on PC.

. I didn't even see Lair up there. Yeah, I never even tried that one.

[007]

Originally Posted by Valiant

Cost of the console was not the problem.. The games sales are what kills Sony.. Sony has been outselling 360 by a small margin for about a year now from what I read online, but their software sales and accessory sales suck compared to 360?? How do you sell more units but less games if people are not buying it for a bluray player only??

PS3 would have still lost the battle because companies were jumping the ship on exclusivity because PS3 was such a bitch to program games for.. With or without bluray, Sony would have lost to the sheer inferior number of quality games compared to the 360.. Games sales show this, even though PS3 has been outselling them..

Agree to disagree on this then. the reason PS3 had a tough start is because of the hardware costs. How do you sell a $600 console when there are $250 and $400 consoles readily available? MS kept their lead because of a 1 year head (at the cost of the RRoD issue to boot) start to build up the game library.

If the PS3 doesn't have BD things are completely different and you have a 2 horse race to the finish. PS3 is gaining fast. I don't think Natal can maintain the momentum.

[Basileus777]

Originally Posted by Guru

PS3 is gaining fast. I don't think Natal can maintain the momentum.

The PS3 hasn't been gaining at all for over a year and even then it was only for a few months. Microsoft hasn't just kep their lead from the early start, they've built on it. The price cut may change that, but right now the PS3 is selling very poorly.

[QuikSsurfer]

Originally Posted by Guru

Calm down QS. I wasn't trying to knock you back. Was just referring to why the PS3 wasn't selling as well. Didn't mean for you to take it that way at all.

No worries. My mistake

[007]

Originally Posted by Basileus777

The PS3 hasn't been gaining at all for over a year and even then it was only for a few months. Microsoft hasn't just kep their lead from the early start, they've built on it. The price cut may change that, but right now the PS3 is selling very poorly.

Of course it was, it was still too expensive for the average consumer. Personally, I haven't seen crap I was interested in from MS since Gears 2 which was way too short. All the good titles were available on both consoles.

[TinyEvel]

Originally Posted by Basileus777

The PS3 hasn't been gaining at all for over a year and even then it was only for a few months. Microsoft hasn't just kep their lead from the early start, they've built on it. The price cut may change that, but right now the PS3 is selling very poorly.

PS3 is (WAS) selling poorly because

1) 360 came out with a stripped down model for $199 and adertisew heavily in Q4 with bundles and family games to get Wii owners to step up.
2) inventory and advertising was left to wane in order to clear for this new SKU
3)People were waiting for rumored price drop.

Items 2 and 3 should make #1 not a factor. All PS needs now is a great ad campaign to get the word out.